Vue Hybrid *** WARNING ***

Discussion in 'Saturn VUE' started by Guest, Apr 27, 2007.

  1. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I looked at the Vue Hybrid at a recent auto show.
    Very nice, but for one very significant design aspect that keeps me from
    buying it.
    The previous Vue had a compact spare which didn't do the job for me due
    to winter driving long distances on remote roads. So I judged this Vue
    only reliable for urban driving.

    The current Vue Hybrid takes this spare problem to it's bitter end by
    eliminating the spare. So I judge this Vue completely unusable.
    Guest, Apr 27, 2007
  2. Not to mention if you know anything about hybrids, they are a waste. When
    the hell will we see compact [perhaps bio]diesel engines powering a
    generator and then an electric only drive system? Grr.

    But no spare tire? Huh. Cant they even pull a blazer and stick a full size
    on the back as an option?
    HyperCube33 \(Life2Death\), Apr 27, 2007
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    Doug Miller Guest

    Just guessin'... Do ya think they might have used run-flat tires instead?
    Doug Miller, Apr 27, 2007
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    satyr Guest

    Isn't that a hybrid? Besides, even if there is a greater benefit to
    the system you describe (which isn't certain), how does that make
    current hybrids "a waste?"
    satyr, Apr 27, 2007
  5. Guest

    Guest Guest

    I read about a 1,000 mile test on them in the UK last May.
    They changed tires every 50 miles. >:)

    The Hybrid Vue comes with one of those patch injectors, which is good
    for pin holes.
    Guest, Apr 28, 2007
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    marx404 Guest

    Dunno what VUE hybrid you might have seen, but AFAIK, they never had a spare
    to begin with. Call it Saturn's ingenuity, but they figured that with patch
    kit and Onstar eliminating the spare was a weight saver. Oh and BTW -
    run-flats are a thing of the past too many problems, they are unreliable and
    expensive, wear unevenly and too fast, etc.
    marx404, Apr 28, 2007
  7. Guest

    marx404 Guest

    I should have also added a question to Spam Away? Um, if you are so shocked
    that the Hybrid VUE doesn't have a spare, then why aren't you also shocked
    about the SKY not having a spare? Same concept, and no, neither was the VUE
    designed for remote camping trips in the frozen tundra. The VUE is an Urban
    vehicle, which again explains the 7/8 spare in regular VUEs for space and
    weight savings. Don't worry, replacing the spare with a patch kit isn't a
    new trend that will take over all Saturn models, lol.
    marx404, Apr 28, 2007
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    SnoMan Guest

    Still a very poor design concept. Ganted on have only used a compact
    spare twice in over 20 years but it is still nice to have it just in
    case for piece of mind. I would rather have it and not need it than
    need it and not have it. I do agree though that a fullsized spare is
    not a must have.
    SnoMan, Apr 28, 2007
  9. They usually cost 20% more and do not make this extra cost back up in fuel
    savings. Add to that more parts and it not being as easy to service by the
    average Joe, and you perhaps will get it. Also, if you did your homework,
    hybrids today aren't true hybrids. They are more like "electric assist"
    where the motors assist the engine, or allow the car to cruise, or brake.
    HyperCube33 \(Life2Death\), Apr 28, 2007
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    marx404 Guest

    Oh, don't get me wrong. Like I said "call it Saturn's Ingenuity"....I think
    that eliminating the spare altogether is kinda dumb. I was just trying to
    explain the thought behind it. I really don't think that this deems a
    WARNING post as the OP did. Hopefully sales consultants will properly
    explain the missing spare before the sale, so this post IMHO doesn't need
    the WARNING tag.
    marx404, Apr 29, 2007
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    BläBlä Guest

    The title of the thread should have been
    Hybrids *** WARNING *** Complete waste of ca$h

    Stick with ye ol' petrol and plant a tree. Both the earth and ones self
    will come out further ahead...
    BläBlä, Apr 29, 2007
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    satyr Guest

    Consumer Reports projects that the Civic Hybrid and Prius will
    actually do a little better than break even over the life of the car.
    That may or may not work out in any given case but it is not clearly a
    losing proposition. The bigger question is; why does it have to pay
    for itself? Nobody demands that the GPS system or the premium radio
    pay for themselves. If that seems too abstract, how about the engine
    upgrades that are available on many cars. You pay more money for an
    engine that gets worse fuel economy on premium gas. Isn't that a huge
    waste? If someone wants to spend money to get better fuel economy
    (even if it never breaks even on cost) why does that make it "a
    waste?" I know a number of people drive hybrids and not one of them
    bought it to save money.
    So how is that not a hybrid? One could just as easily argue that it
    is not a "true hybrid" if the engine never directly drives the wheels.

    FYI, I do know a fair amount about the Honda and Toyota hybrids. Just
    because they don't meet your narrow definition of 'hybrid' doesn't
    invalidate what they are.

    satyr, Apr 29, 2007
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    BläBlä Guest

    OOOOooo... I'm impressed. Did they bother to factor in the resale value
    after 5 years when it needs a new batteries that equal the value of the
    car? Did they also factor in the increased labor rate shops charge?
    Doubt it.
    The GPS system can be a money saver and maker. For example, it would
    assist me in finding garage sales and getting to auctions or other
    places on time without getting me lost and expending more fuel. If it
    gets me to garage sales sooner for the deals, that allows me to make a
    profit on eBay. Thats just some of what a GPS could do for me. The radio
    entertains people so they can keep their sanity. A lump of batteries do
    not... Maybe if they had some nipple clamps wired up to the batteries
    some may find the hypebrid batteries entertaining then...
    Considering I can buy a new engine and transmission (which I wont need)
    for the cost of new hypebrid batteries aren't those batteries "a huge
    You answered your own question. All that effort and hassle for no gain
    equals WASTE.
    Everyone that has talked with me about getting a hypebrid thought they
    would somehow save money. I guess you're rare because everyone you know
    done it for the fuzzy feeling that they are somehow helping the
    BläBlä, Apr 29, 2007
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    satyr Guest

    You would be wrong then. Did you know that the batteries are
    warranted for 80,000 miles. Based on manufacturer experience they
    expect the battery pack to last 150,000 to 180,000 miles.

    One correction, I said they expect the cars to break even over their
    life. In fact, the projection is for these two cars to break even
    after only five years of ownership so the batteries were not a factor
    and depreciation was only slightly higher for the hybrids.
    So would a map. The GPS units cost hundreds or thousands of dollars.
    You must do a lot of driving in circles for it to save that much gas.
    Well, we all have different preferences in entertainment and you are
    welcome to yours. Some people are entertained by trying to squeeze
    the most miles out of a gallon of gas and posting it on the Internet.
    Not if they save more than their cost in gasoline. You (and a lot of
    others with no real knowledge or information) are underestimating the
    life of the batteries. The first hybrids are now over six years old
    and the batteries are holding up very well.
    No effort or hassle, just more money. Just like it costs more money
    to buy the optional V6 instead of the standard 4. Isn't that a waste?
    It will never pay for itself.
    They are also very intelligent, well educated and have a lot of
    disposable income. One other difference; they didn't talk with me
    about getting a hybrid, they just went out and bought one.
    satyr, Apr 29, 2007
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    Steve Guest

    Is there something about the Hybrid VUE that makes it impractical to buy
    and keep one's own spare, if one wants one badly enough?
    Steve, Apr 30, 2007
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    SnoMan Guest

    Yes it is likely that the spare tire storage area is being used by
    SnoMan, Apr 30, 2007
  17. Guest Guest

    Nope, there's enough room in the area where the spare used to be
    stored for a compact spare, if you're that worried about it. That
    space is currently occupied by the inflator and flat sealer. Since you
    won't need them, pull 'em out and drop in a spare.

    Personally, it's not a big deal. If I get a flat, I'll call AAA.

    I predict that 5 years from now, everybody will be doing this for
    weight savings.

    I love my Green Line. Mileage much better than my 2003 V6, and getting
    better as it breaks in and the weather gets warmer.
, May 1, 2007
  18. Guest

    Steve Guest

    Yes, I surmised that, but is there NO other place in the Hybrid VUE that
    one could store a spare tire?
    Steve, May 1, 2007
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    SnoMan Guest

    There is only so much space in that car and to make room for a spare,
    you need to take room from somewhere else. Many years ago I owned a
    few Subarus and they had a good idea. They stored a compact spare
    above engine under hood. I saw no adverse effect for this after 5
    years with one vehicle.
    SnoMan, May 1, 2007
  20. <snip>

    Our family has both a Saturn and we just purchased a Honda Civic Hybrid for
    my wife. We have no expectation of having the gas savings pay for the
    extra cost, which was minimal. The premium for the hybrid is about $2000,
    We will get back approx $1500 in tax credits (not tax deductions, tax

    I was interested in the technology aspect of the car, and I feel that it is
    important to send a message to the manufactures that people will buy these
    products and that continued R&D will pay off.

    David Teichholtz, May 2, 2007
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