Vehicles of 2010 may move only with hydrogen

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by virig, Jul 18, 2008.

  1. virig

    virig Guest

    virig, Jul 18, 2008
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    Jon Jon Guest

    I'd rather have a real car that has performance.
     
    Jon Jon, Jul 24, 2008
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    marx404 Guest

    Ever get the feeling that the only alternative gas that is truly powering
    the auto industry is methane? (as in hot air, farts, bullsh*t....). GM (and
    Saturn) has what it needs in it's european vehicles, starting with the
    ecotec engine. Hopefully they will get back on track before Ford beats them
    to it.
     
    marx404, Jul 28, 2008
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    Gyzmologist Guest

    I'm not impressed with the ecotec engine. My wife has an '07 Saturn Sky
    with the ecotec 2.4L and 5-speed automatic. Performance wise 170HP out
    of 2.4L is pretty lame, but for my wife it is adequate. For economy the
    best we have gotten with it is 27 MPG highway, 25 MPG is typical. My '98
    Dodge Stratus 2.5L V6 gets 27 MPG commuting to town with AC, and it has
    142K miles on it! I like the Sky itself, just not the engine,
    transmission, and differential (all the GM parts). Since it is really an
    Opel GT (ignoring GM marketing hype), I wonder what engine the Opel
    version has?
     
    Gyzmologist, Aug 1, 2008
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    p_vouers Guest

    try an ecotec in a normal saturn as verses the sky which was designed
    for style and performance unlike an ion. I get 37mpg hiway and 28-30
    city driving, plus driving habits have a lot to do with mpg
     
    p_vouers, Aug 1, 2008
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    PerfectReign Guest

    Gyzmologist turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

    My '98
    had.

    AFAIK, the opel GT hasn't been around for 30+ years. It had a 1L four
    cylinder engine. Not bad looking, but I'd rather have a stingray...


    ....wir sind die Jungs von der Opel-Gang
    wir haben alle abgehängt....
     
    PerfectReign, Aug 1, 2008
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    bo peep Guest

    That's actually slightly better than the EPA estimate for the 2007
    Sky, which is 19/24 mpg. But compare it to the 2007 Ion with the
    optional 2.4L engine - the EPA estimate is 34 mpg combined driving. I
    have a 2006 2.4L Ion and I get about 29 mpg combined commuting.

    I would guess that the drivetrain gearing, engine management computer
    program, and transmission shift points in the Sky are probably
    optimized for snappy acceleration, while the Ion is tuned for more
    sedate and economical driving. But they both use what is basically the
    same ecotec engine, with almost exactly the same hp rating.
     
    bo peep, Aug 8, 2008
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    kwakusantwi Guest

    kwakusantwi, Aug 9, 2008
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