TOWING A SATURN- from theCONFUSING owners handbook !

200s series page 247

Towing- when you call the towing service tell them:

"That your Saturn can only be towed with a vehicle carrier or
wheel lift tow truck"

Then on the next page (248) the idiots at Saturn contradict
themselves! They say that the car can be towed on "ALL 4 WHEELS"!

"To prevent damage to the automatic transaxle when towing a Saturn
on all four wheels, make sure the transaxle fluid is at the correct
towing level. The fluid, when checked at normal operating temperatures
of 190 degrees to 200 degrees F , should be in the cross-hatched area
on the dipstick. Towing speeds should not exceed 65 mph."

page 247 statement in not for manual trnsmission. They say "WHEN
TOWING A SATURN ON ALL FOUR WHEELS"- which means ALL SATURNS.

If they ever can make up their mind which it is- they ought to spell
it out in BOLDFACE TYPE on the dashboard- unless they enjoy having
owners keep their mechanics busy.

 

I don't know why I'm bothering to feed the troll, but here we go...


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when towing a DISABLED VEHICLE, this is how it is to be done - this means
that they cannot use one of the older frame/bumper lifing tow trucks.

ALL S SERIES SATURNS CAN BE TOWED "4 DOWN" USING A TOWBAR. is that clear
enough for you?

 

Great- now tell that to all those "knowlegable" Saturn experts who
keep posting that "you can't tow ANY Saturn on all 4 wheels". They
appear under heading "Saturn Horror Stories". Again- If some models
can and some can't- send a note to Saturn like I did and suggest they
quit burrying that info in small print- and put it on the dash!

 

If you put your owner's handbook on the dash, you will have it there...

 

If you can't read and unstand the Saturn owners manual, you are
retarded and shouldn't be driving. You probably need a helmet to
prevent injury during your daily life because you tend to forget where
your head is positioned. You need warning labels on knives to be
reminded that they can potentially cut you. You are the reason we have
child safety lighters. You need a cork on your fork to prevent you
accidently putting your eye out.

 

You probably need a helmet to

Nooo!! We need some form of Darwinism. Let these people be.

Lane

 

Yeah, but I don't want them out on the road where they can potentially
injure me through shear stupidity: "There is no warning lable on the
rain, how was I supposed to know it would take longer to stop"
However, you are more than welcome to gather them all together in a
"winner take all match of stupid" somewhere where they aren't a danger
to others and they can go at it.

 

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send a note to Saturn like I did and suggest they

because if you can't read the owners manual, you shouldn't be driving. and
anyone who tows 4 down behind an RV should be smart enough to check that
before buying a car.

Not all people are so ignorant that they buy something that doesn't meet
their needs, and then whine that it doesn't work.

 

No kidding. I once watched a guy in a Dodge pickup (the ever popular
4X4 one. Every time I see this, I wonder why they don't just call it a
16 In 4WD, in the snow, he floors it froma light and is all over the
road. It's kinda fun, if you're out of the way, to watch a 4WD thing
spin all 4 wheels and slide and spin around in the road.

Traffic in the opposite direction was a bit less than ammused.

It's fun watching SUVs crash if you're not near them - every year they
always have a few good vids on the news of some dip doing 50 - 60 in the
snow just slide and spin and roll....

 

If you can't read and unstand the Saturn owners manual, you are

He reminds me of the type of people like the idiot that sued mcdonald's because
the coffee was hot and she got burned. Talk about fsckstick.....

 

Yeah, some people don't seem to understand that even though you can shift
into 4 wheel drive and get better take off traction, that doesn't make your
brakes work any better in the snow.

 

Yeah, I was going to bring that up. I can't imagine all the warnings
that would be required on a car if people were really so many shades
of stupid that they had to be warned not to, for example, try to stop
the fan blade with their tongue or other bodily appendage. There would
be so many yellow stickers all over the car you wouldn't be able to
tell what color it is. Simply reading the owners manual should give
you a pretty good idea on how to care for your car and treat it
safely. One of the resons *I* bought a Saturn was because of the
friendly dealership, I'm sure if I had a question on how to treat/care
for my car they would tell me straight up what to do.

 

Glad to hear that Ken Oelrich sued the Saturn Dealer who stood behind
their fine print owners handbook. I guess the court saw differently.
Go tell the Judge that Oelrich needs to learn to read or get a pair of
glasses!

Here's the story (under Saturn Horror Stories):

a horror story about saturn
I tow my saturn behind my r.v. the dealer never told me I had to
balance and rotate my tires. every 6000 miles.
the transmission was destroyed they told me it was my fault. I sued
them in small claims court and a few days before the court date they
refunded me the $3500.00 I paid to have it reparied.the dealer in
roseville
ca. was absolutely no help, customer service told me too bad. so I had
to sue them.it was amazing how fast they settled when they were served
with small claims court papers. I did it all on the internet from my
home in auburn ca. . the total cost was $27.00. (certified return
receipt.filing papers etc) I have 37000 miles on it and am on my
third set of tires. so my advice after trying to deal with these
people do not fight them take them to court,. until they change
management, think twice before buying a saturn. I will not go into all
the details but you can email me at

kenneth oelrich

 

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there was no judge - it says he settled. it was cheaper for them to give
him $3500 than to go to trial. too bad Ken is an idiot. Even my MOM knows
to get her tires rotated & balanced every 6k miles.

 

I honestly don't believe there could possibly be someone this stupid.
Kenneth should be removed from the gene pool and banished to the
Antarctic where he won't be a danger to others. Anybody that stupid is
not worth the air they breath.

 

Michael Korman is the poster. Kenneth Oelrich was just a guy stupid
enough to correspond with a completely automotive ignorant s.o.b. (with
strongly questionable mental facilities) that greatly abuses the word
"fact". Hope Ken likes spam. Because Korman is the type stupid enough
to post other peoples email addresses in full for spam bots. LOGIC,
Facts, and Common Sense are completely foreign to this assclown. People
like those 2 deserve to get burned at every turn in their life. They are
far to stupid to be helped. The only form of transportation they can
somewhat grasp is a shopping cart. Even then they would find time to
bitch about a floppy caster... Thats why I'm thankful for my newsgroup
filters.

 

LOL. OK, I'm relatively new here, I have basically mostly lurked when
I am about to buy/lease a new Saturn, I may have posted a couple times
in the past, but not much. I see I have picked up on one of the groups
trolls just by accident. Speaking of trolls I see that Scharf guy is
still around after 6+ years.

I might add that I have loved all my Saturns (I'm on my 3rd), and
have never had any serious problems with them or the dealer I bought
them from. I may end up being a rather boring poster

 

Ok sorry ... hate to bust in here.. but a question.. how exactly was the
transmission destroyed? If it was in neutral, no matter what the tires
were doing, the transmission shouldn't have been affected, should it?

 

Manual transmission is not a problem. An automatic on the other hand, needs
hydraulic pressure to keep the clutches set properly. Without pressure, the
clutches drag and wear. Short distances at low speed are not too bad.

 

Ahhh yes sorry.. I'm stuck in my little manual world