Snow tires on a Saturn???

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Dick Snyder, Dec 25, 2004.

  1. Dick Snyder

    Dick Snyder Guest

    My daughter has a 1993 Saturn SL2. She has just moved to Cleveland from
    California. I'm sure this newsgroup has posted articles from time to time
    about the advisability of snow tires on a Saturn but I can't find any just
    now or anything very good with a Google search. A search of the tire rack
    website was nice but they are in the business of selling tires after all.
    Can anyone here recommend a good resource that can answer the question or at
    least give some good information about whether or not it would be advisable
    for her to buy snow tires?

    TIA.

    Dick Snyder
     
    Dick Snyder, Dec 25, 2004
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    Jay Bollyn Guest

    Jay Bollyn, Dec 25, 2004
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  3. I thought I remember guys in snow country talking about using Blizzak's on
    steel wheels - other than when new, I never ran anything but performance
    summer tires here in Southern California (currently a chilly 61 degrees).
     
    Jonnie Santos, Dec 25, 2004
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    Peter Young Guest

    Good quality all-season radials will do just fine.
     
    Peter Young, Dec 25, 2004
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  5. Season liberally and lace with garlic cloves by making incisions,
    and placing whole cloves deep into the meat.
    Grease a baking pan, and fill with a thick bed of onions,
    celery, green onions, and parsley.
    Place roast on top with fat side up.
    Place uncovered in 500° oven for 20 minutes, reduce oven to 325°.
    Bake till medium rare (150°) and let roast rest.
    Pour stock over onions and drippings, carve the meat and
    place the slices in the au jus.



    Bisque à l?Enfant

    Honor the memory of Grandma with this dish by utilizing her good
    silver soup tureen and her great grandchildren (crawfish, crab or
    lobster will work just as well, however this dish is classically
    made with crawfish).

    Stuffed infant heads, stuffed crawfish heads, stuffed crab or lobster shells;
    make patties if shell or head is not available
    (such as with packaged crawfish, crab, or headless baby).
    Flour
    oil
    onions
    bell peppers
    garlic salt, pepper, etc.
    3 cups chicken stock
    2 sticks butter
    3 tablespoons oil

    First stuff the heads, or make the patties (see index)
    then fry or bake.
    Set aside to drain on paper towels.
    Make a roux with butter
     
    Jonnie Santos, Dec 25, 2004
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    Peter Young Guest

    Leviticus 26:29


    Roast Child with Cornbread Stuffing

    Turkey may be substituted for this classic holiday feast.
    Although time consuming, this dish seems to take longer than it actually does;
    as the entire house is filled with such a heavenly aroma,
    the waiting becomes almost unbearable.

    1 whole child, cleaned and de-headed
    1 batch cornbread stuffing (see index)
    ½ cup melted butter

    Remove the giblets from the infant and set aside.
    Stuff the cavity where the child?s genitals and anus were located
    using ½ cup per pound of meat.
    Tie the arms flat to the body, then pull the skin flaps up to close the cavity.
    Now tie the thighs up tight to hold it all together.
    Place breast side up in a large metal roasting pan.
    Bake in 325° oven covered for 2 hours.
    Remove cover, stick a cooking thermometer deep into one of the
    baby?s buttocks and cook uncovered till thermometer reads 190°,
    about another hour.



    Pro-Choice Po-Boy

    Soft-shelled crabs serve just as well in this classic southern delicacy.
    The sandwich originated in New Orleans, where an abundance of abortion clinics
    thrive and hot French bread is always available.

    2 cleaned fetuses, head on
    2 eggs
    1 tablespoon yellow mustard
    1 cup seasoned flour
    oil enough for deep frying
    1 loaf French bread
    Lettuce
    tomatoes
    ma
     
    Peter Young, Dec 25, 2004
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    Napalm Heart Guest

    Olive oil
    butter

    Brown the meat and some chopped onions, peppers, and garilic in olive oil,
    place in baking dish, layer with vegetables seasoning and butter.
    Bake at 325° for 30 - 45 minutes.
    Serve with hot dinner rolls, fruit salad and sparkling water.



    Bébé Buffet 1

    Show off with whole roasted children replete with apples in mouths -
    and babies? heads stuffed with wild rice. Or keep it simple with a
    hearty main course such as stew, lasagna, or meat loaf.

    Some suggestions

    Pre-mie pot pies, beef stew, leg of lamb, stuffed chicken, roast pork spiral ham,
    Cranberry pineapple salad, sweet potatoes in butter, vegetable platter, tossed salad with tomato and avocado, parsley new potatoes, spinich cucumber salad, fruit salad
    Bran muffins, dinner rolls, soft breadsticks, rice pilaf, croissants
    Apple cake with rum sauce, frosted banana nut bread sherbet, home made brownies
    Iced tea, water, beer, bloody marys, lemonade, coffee

    The guests select food, beverages, silverware... everything from the buffet table.
    They move to wherever they are comfortable, and sit with whoever they choose.
    Provide trays so your guests will not spill everything all over your house from
    carrying too much, nor will they have to make 10 trips back and fourth from the
    service stations.



    Roast Leg of Amputee

    By al
     
    Napalm Heart, Dec 25, 2004
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    Lane Guest

    Good quality all-season radials will do just fine.

    And real snow tires will do even better.

    I've been running Blizzaks on my '94 SC2 in the winter for years (live in
    WI). Can't imagine how I ever went without them.

    Tire Rack has a section where their customers can review tires and post
    their opinions. I found it very helpful in the past.

    Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]
     
    Lane, Dec 26, 2004
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  9. Dick Snyder

    Lane Guest

    season well.
    Place in a large bowl and cool.
    Add seasoned breadcrumbs and a little of the tomato gravy,
    enough to make the mixture pliable.
    Divide the stuffing among the cabbage leaves then roll.
    Place seam down in a baking pan.
    Ladle tomato gravy on top,
    and bake at 325° for 30 - 45 minutes.



    Umbilical Cordon Bleu

    Nothing is so beautiful as the bond between mother and child,
    so why not consume it?
    Children or chicken breasts will work wonderfully also.

    4 whole umbilical chords (or baby breasts, or chicken breasts)
    4 thin slices of smoked ham, and Gruyere cheese
    Flour
    eggwash (milk and eggs)
    seasoned bread crumbs
    1 onion
    minced
    salt
    pepper
    butter
    olive oil

    Pound the breasts flat (parboil first if using umbilical
    cords so they won?t be tough).
    Place a slice of ham and cheese on each, along with some minced onion
    then fold in half, trimming neatly.
    Dredge in flour, eggwash, then seasoned breadcrumbs;
    allow to sit for a few minutes.
    Sauté in butter and olive oil until golden brown,
    about 6 minutes on each side.



    Shish Kababes

    As old as the hills, this technique has employed seafood, beef, pork, lamb,
    poultry, and vegetables; just about anything can be grilled, and young humans
    are no exception!

    High quality marinade (Teriyaki and garlic perh
     
    Lane, Dec 26, 2004
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    Jay Bollyn Guest

    nut bread sherbet, home made brownies
    Iced tea, water, beer, bloody marys, lemonade, coffee

    The guests select food, beverages, silverware... everything from the buffet table.
    They move to wherever they are comfortable, and sit with whoever they choose.
    Provide trays so your guests will not spill everything all over your house from
    carrying too much, nor will they have to make 10 trips back and fourth from the
    service stations.



    Roast Leg of Amputee

    By all means, substitute lamb or a good beef roast if the haunch
    it is in any way diseased. But sometimes surgeons make mistakes,
    and if a healthy young limb is at hand, then don?t hesitate to cook
    it to perfection!

    1 high quality limb, rack, or roast
    Potatoes, carrot
    Oil
    celery
    onions
    green onions
    parsley
    garlic
    salt, pepper, etc
    2 cups beef stock

    Marinate meat (optional, not necessary with better cuts).
    Season liberally and lace with garlic cloves by making incisions,
    and placing whole cloves deep into the meat.
    Greas
     
    Jay Bollyn, Dec 26, 2004
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    Napalm Heart Guest

    I live in Michigan and put a set of Dunlop Graspics on my son's
    Saturn. He loves them. Cleveland gets tons of snow. If you can
    afford it, a set of winter tires would go a long way to keeping her
    safer. I got excellent service from Tirerack. 4 tires and rims
    mounted and balanced, and delivered to our door for just over $470.

    Ken

     
    Napalm Heart, Dec 26, 2004
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    Dick Snyder Guest

    Salt
    pepper
    soy & teriyaki
    minced ginger, etc.
    1 tablespoon cornstarch dissolved in a little cold water
    1 egg beaten

    Make the stuffing:
    Marinate the flesh in a mixture of soy and teriyaki sauces
    then stir fry in hot oil for till brown - about 1 minute, remove.
    Stir-fry the vegetables.
    Put the meat back into the wok and adjust the seasoning.
    De-glaze with sherry, cooking off the alcohol.
    Add broth (optional) cook a few more minutes.
    Add the cornstarch, cook a few minutes till thick,
    then place the stuffing into a colander and cool;
    2 hours
    Wrap the rolls:
    Place 3 tablespoons of stuffing in the wrap, roll tightly -
    corner nearest you first, fold 2 side corners in,
    wrap till remaining corner is left.
    Brush with egg, seal, and allow to sit on the seal for
    a few minutes.
    Fry the rolls:
    325° if using egg roll wraps, 350° for spring roll wraps.
    Deep fry in peanut oil till crispy golden brown, drain on paper towels.



    L
     
    Dick Snyder, Dec 26, 2004
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    Roy Guest

    My girlfriend had brand new all seasons on her 98 SL1 and on my SL1 I had 2
    year old winter tires with 40,000 km on them. She got stuck in her driveway
    and after another 3 inches of snow I drove out to pick her up. The next day
    we went to get her some snow tires too. I would most definitely recommend
    snow tires to anyone who could afford them (maybe even if you couldn't).
     
    Roy, Dec 26, 2004
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    Peter Young Guest

    That surprises me. I've lived all my life in Minnesota and have never had trouble getting around - especially in a FWD
    car. My 98 SL2 was fantastic in the snow using the stock radials.

    In an urban area like Cleveland, the streets are maintained and there shouldn't be an issue. The most important thing is
    knowing how to drive on snow and ice. If you don't, it doesn't matter what kind of (legal) tire you buy.

    Agreed.

    -Pete
     
    Peter Young, Dec 27, 2004
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    Blah blah Guest

    Only thing I know off hand that can drive on ice is a zamboni.
    One big advantage for driving in snow is traction control. If you have
    traction control you shouldnt have to worry about snow tires. You just
    need tires with decent tread depth.
     
    Blah blah, Dec 27, 2004
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  16. which is nothing but a HD GM truck frame with good snow tires. they drive
    slow enough that it isn't a problem. They drive other cars on the ice
    inbetween periods for promotions - as long as you keep the speeds to just
    above a crawl, you're fine on an ice rink.
     
    Kevin M. Keller, Dec 28, 2004
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    Paul Guest

    If you can afford snow tires than I would recommend you to 2 of get them for
    the front. It can only improve your traction and safety. All season tire
    tread compound are not the same as snow tire especially under freezing
    condition. You can quickly loose control on highway without time to react.
    Sure front wheel drive care is an improvement over rear wheel drive car but
    front wheel drive car with snow tire is added extra security. All wheel
    drive vehicle like Subaru even better. Now in Cleveland is much diff. than
    Canada where our temperature can drop below 0F plus heavy snow, snow-drift
    over the highway, local roads (except main street) is always covered with
    snow and ice. Driving with all season tire you will get stuck in just few
    inches of snow like this poster said.
     
    Paul, Dec 29, 2004
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  18. Does having two radically different tires effect the handling, or safe
    stopping?

    thanks,

    tom @ www.CarFleaMarket.com
     
    newsgroups01REMOVEME, Dec 29, 2004
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    Napalm Heart Guest

    You really should run snow tires on all for wheels due to the
    difference in handling characteristics. Quite possibly the snow tires
    will be of a different size than the other tires.
     
    Napalm Heart, Dec 29, 2004
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    Roy Guest

    And as sombody pointed out in another thread on tires having grip in the
    front and less in the back can cause the back end to come around during
    braking or on sharp corners. I would definately suggest all four if you can
    afford it, if not then maybe shop for 4 used winter tires. They may not have
    all the tread but at least they should be a softer compound and grip a
    little better on the packed snow.
     
    Roy, Dec 29, 2004
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