SL2 "generator" output

Discussion in 'Saturn S-series' started by tholen, Nov 25, 2003.

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    tholen Guest

    What is the normal amperage output of a healthy SL2 "generator"?
     
    tholen, Nov 25, 2003
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    Thomas Abell Guest

    I believe it's 90 amps
     
    Thomas Abell, Nov 29, 2003
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    BANDIT2941 Guest


    Well, if it isn't the March 1998 kook of the month!

    One would think that if you are as smart as you think you are, you would know
    that an SL2 has an alternator, not a generator.
     
    BANDIT2941, Nov 29, 2003
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    tholen Guest

    What does your title have to do with Saturn cars, bandit?
    One would think that someone who knows anything about Saturn cars would
    also know that Saturn calls them generators, despite being alternators,
    hence my use of quotation marks.

    I see that you didn't answer the question. Not that an antagonist needs
    to do so to satisfy an emotional need to antagonize, so it comes as no
    surprise at all.
     
    tholen, Nov 29, 2003
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    Kirk Kohnen Guest

    For a 97 SL2, the spec is 90 Amps maximum output.

    This is for the alternator with an external fan - they've changed them to
    another one with an internal fan since 97.

    It degrades with increasing temperature though.
     
    Kirk Kohnen, Nov 30, 2003
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    C. E. White Guest

    Generator - 1 : one that generates
    Alternator - an electric generator for producing alternating current

    An alternator is a generator. Both the old style generator with a commutator and
    an alternator with slip rings are electrical generators. Alternators produce
    alternating current which is rectified into direct current (usually internally).
    So I think trying to bust somebody for calling an alternating current generator a
    generator is a little too picky.

    Ed
     
    C. E. White, Nov 30, 2003
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    Dan Hicks Guest

    Technically, an alternator is a form of generator.
     
    Dan Hicks, Nov 30, 2003
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    BANDIT2941 Guest

    Yes - but the difference is a generator generates electricity without
    energizing the field. In other words, take 2 cars, one with a generator, one
    with an alternator. Take the battery out of each. Roll down a hill and pop the
    clutch in 3rd gear. The car with the generator will start, while the car with
    the alternator will not.

    While one may be a form of the other, they are different things, at least in
    this circumstance.
     
    BANDIT2941, Nov 30, 2003
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    tholen Guest

    Which says absolutely nothing about why you completely ignored my use
    of quotation marks around the word, and also relied on invective in
    your response.
     
    tholen, Nov 30, 2003
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    Dan Hicks Guest

    Actually, I've many times pop-started a car with an alternator.
    Generally there's enough juice in the battery to power the ignition,
    just not enough to run the starter.

    Whether or not a generator is self-energizing or not depends on the
    mutual design of generator and voltage regulator. Alternator
    voltage regulators aren't designed to depend on self-energizing, so
    alternators aren't designed with the "hard" pole pieces needed to
    maintain magnetism when not powered. Using softer poles allows for
    higher peak magnetic flux and less hysteresis loss.
     
    Dan Hicks, Nov 30, 2003
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    BANDIT2941 Guest

    Actually, I've many times pop-started a car with an alternator.
    In some cases, you can.

    I had a battery go deader than a doornail. I went to the mall, had the car
    parked for 15 minutes. Came back out, NOTHING, NADA, ZIP, wouldn't even make
    the door dinger ding.....

    I got a jump and drove directly to get a new battery. In the process, while
    entering the wal mart parking lot, I clicked the key off to see if I could pop
    it........no way, wasn't happening. So I bought a new battery and it was all
    better.

    Although, I would imagine that during a normal "left the headlights on, car
    won't start" deal, the batt would probably have enough juice to energize the
    alt and start the car.
     
    BANDIT2941, Nov 30, 2003
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    Dan Hicks Guest

    Yeah, had a Citation that I had to be sure to park on a hill for
    several weeks, since I didn't have the time to get the battery
    changed. Must have pop-started it a dozen times. But when the
    battery literally blew up on our Voyager I doubt that any size hill
    could have gotten it started.
     
    Dan Hicks, Dec 1, 2003
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    C. E. White Guest

    This depends entirely on the relative designs of the two types. It is possible to
    design either to be self energizing. Sometimes an alternator will self energize
    (because of residual magnetism) but it this is not an intentional part of the
    design of any common automotive alternator I have seen. I don't think it is a good
    idea to run either without the battery in place to act as a damper.

    Either way they are both generators, just of different types. If you want to bust
    someone for calling an alternator a generator, then you should be consistent and
    bust people for calling a dynamo a generator as well. Dynamo is an accepted name
    for a DC generator, just like alternator is an accepted name for an AC generator.

    See:

    http://www.bartleby.com/65/ge/generato.html


    Ed
     
    C. E. White, Dec 1, 2003
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    BANDIT2941 Guest

    Yeah, had a Citation that I had to be sure to park on a hill for
    What were the circumstances of it deciding to blow up?
     
    BANDIT2941, Dec 1, 2003
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    Dan Hicks Guest

    It was just sitting in a parking lot on a perfectly normal day.
    Went to start the car (after a 15-minute shopping stop) and there
    was a loud "bang", and it stopped cranking. Opened the hood and
    discovered the entire front of the battery had blown away.

    A bit of serendipity, though, was that this has happened within 20
    feet of an auto parts store. One of the guys from the store came
    out and changed the battery for us for free (after we paid for the
    battery, of course).
     
    Dan Hicks, Dec 2, 2003
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    BANDIT2941 Guest

    A bit of serendipity, though, was that this has happened within 20
    Thats a lucky one.....

    Usually that sort of thing happens as far away from a store as possible......
     
    BANDIT2941, Dec 2, 2003
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    Napalm Heart Guest

    possible......

    Yeah, like when you're 4-wheeling and are stuck with both
    differentials on the ground.

    Ken
     
    Napalm Heart, Dec 2, 2003
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    Dan Hicks Guest

    Yep, I hadn't been that lucky since about 1970 when the rotor of my
    Corvair disassembled itself directly across from the only service
    station (or civilization of any kind) for 20 miles. (This was back
    when service stations actually carried auto parts, of course.)
     
    Dan Hicks, Dec 3, 2003
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