Shopping for Winter Tires

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Hi all,

Im poking around for winter tires for my '98 SL2, mainly cause after last
winter I relized that no matter how good my all season tires are this car
doesnt weigh enough to not slip so damn much (when compared to my old
Oldsmobile Cutlass Cierra which was fine in canadian winters with dead all
season tires!). So, does anyone out there have any suggestions? or any
review sites which give snow reviews from people that actually drive in
serious long lasting winters (i.e. montreal winter, not florida winter!).
Also, stock, my tire size is 185/65/15, and I see lots of people selling
slightly used winter tires with the same size except that they are 14 inch
instead of 15, is that acceptable for my car?.

TIA!

Wurm
 
Wurm said:
Hi all,

Im poking around for winter tires for my '98 SL2, mainly cause after last
winter I relized that no matter how good my all season tires are this car
doesnt weigh enough to not slip so damn much (when compared to my old
Oldsmobile Cutlass Cierra which was fine in canadian winters with dead all
season tires!). So, does anyone out there have any suggestions? or any
review sites which give snow reviews from people that actually drive in
serious long lasting winters (i.e. montreal winter, not florida winter!).
Also, stock, my tire size is 185/65/15, and I see lots of people selling
slightly used winter tires with the same size except that they are 14 inch
instead of 15, is that acceptable for my car?.

TIA!

Wurm
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Tirerack www.tirerack.com has a good explanation of winter tire
sizing.

Ken
 
Napalm Heart said:
Tirerack www.tirerack.com has a good explanation of winter tire
sizing.

Ken
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Ahh, was just there today, and is actually the site i used to find my
Dunlop's, but I didnt see anything specifically geared towards winter
tires..... then again, i didnt look very hard ;)

ill check thru it again

thanx
 
Try the www.apa.com website. They are big on Bridgestone Blizzaks. I use
Blizzaks on my SW2 and they are great on Winnipeg's snow and occasional
ice. You can interchange the 14" and 15" Saturn wheels. The bolt holes
and spacing are the same. Your speedomteter will be out a little bit.
ABS, if you have, will be unaffected.
 
Tire Rack has a large section of user opinions on the tires, and they're
pretty useful. People actually say the conditions they use the tires in.

I've had Bridgestone Blizzak's for several years now. In Wisconsin winters,
they've been great. And they are wearing very well. A much longer opinion
of them is in the 94 modifications section on my website.

Lane [ l a n e @ p a i r . c o m ]
 
Wal-Mart sells good cheap winter tires, I know a guy driving his for 3 years
(and during the summer), but cheap comes at a price, high-school kids
servicing your car - your call.
 
Wurm said:
Hi all,

Im poking around for winter tires for my '98 SL2, mainly cause after last
winter I relized that no matter how good my all season tires are this car
doesnt weigh enough to not slip so damn much (when compared to my old
Oldsmobile Cutlass Cierra which was fine in canadian winters with dead all
season tires!). So, does anyone out there have any suggestions? or any
review sites which give snow reviews from people that actually drive in
serious long lasting winters (i.e. montreal winter, not florida winter!).
Also, stock, my tire size is 185/65/15, and I see lots of people selling
slightly used winter tires with the same size except that they are 14 inch
instead of 15, is that acceptable for my car?.

TIA!

Wurm
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I was hesitant to change my tire size from OEM 175/70R14 (and it's the
only tire size listed on my door-sticker) to something like 185/65R14
(only 0.7% difference in size
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html) so I bought two sets of
Michelin Artic Alpin in 175/70R14 so far. My first set of Michelin
lasted 32,704km in winter, then I used it for a while in summer (not
enough thread for winter).

Now that I looked into up-sizing and realize there is not much to it,
I will change the tire size to open up options. If I had to buy this
year, I would look at a Bridgestone Blizzak or a Nokian Hakkapeliitta.

I installed the Blizzak on my wife's Focus wagon and was impressed
with the handling in deap snow and stopping ability on ice or packed
snow compared to the Michelin (on different cars off course but
still). One note though, the Blizzak is even more sensitive to
temperature than other winter tires, including the Michelin Artic
Alpin so install late and remove early.

Never tried the Nokian myself but heard lots of good things about it
and want to try it.

One note about changing tire size, you need to adjust the tire
pressure to optimize the contact patch for your application
(conservative vs agressive driving style). I have yet to find a good
website that explain how to do so. Guys I know that up-size their
tires do a trial and error thing. If you go to a 175/70R14, the OEM
tire pressure at 30psi front, 26psi rear.

How did you like the Dunlops? SP Sport A2?

Let us know what you choose.

Frank
97 SL1
101,000 miles
Ottawa
 
Frank said:
I was hesitant to change my tire size from OEM 175/70R14 (and it's the
only tire size listed on my door-sticker) to something like 185/65R14
(only 0.7% difference in size
http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html) so I bought two sets of
Michelin Artic Alpin in 175/70R14 so far. My first set of Michelin
lasted 32,704km in winter, then I used it for a while in summer (not
enough thread for winter).

Now that I looked into up-sizing and realize there is not much to it,
I will change the tire size to open up options. If I had to buy this
year, I would look at a Bridgestone Blizzak or a Nokian Hakkapeliitta.

I installed the Blizzak on my wife's Focus wagon and was impressed
with the handling in deap snow and stopping ability on ice or packed
snow compared to the Michelin (on different cars off course but
still). One note though, the Blizzak is even more sensitive to
temperature than other winter tires, including the Michelin Artic
Alpin so install late and remove early.

Never tried the Nokian myself but heard lots of good things about it
and want to try it.

One note about changing tire size, you need to adjust the tire
pressure to optimize the contact patch for your application
(conservative vs agressive driving style). I have yet to find a good
website that explain how to do so. Guys I know that up-size their
tires do a trial and error thing. If you go to a 175/70R14, the OEM
tire pressure at 30psi front, 26psi rear.

How did you like the Dunlops? SP Sport A2?

Let us know what you choose.
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Hi,

Thanks for the feedback, prolly gonna hit a few stores this weekend and
compare prices and see what I can learn through that. As for my Dunlops,
yup, they're the SP Sport A2s, and I love em. Stick to the road very well,
let me take turns at fairly high speeds without complaining or squealing,
fairly quiet and ride well at high speeds (170 km/h). The only complaint is
that they are utterly useless in the winter, then again that could be due to
the weight of the car as opposed to the tires.... but I didnt feel too safe
last year

Wurm
 
Hi,
Thanks for the feedback, prolly gonna hit a few stores this weekend and
compare prices and see what I can learn through that. As for my Dunlops,
yup, they're the SP Sport A2s, and I love em. Stick to the road very well,
let me take turns at fairly high speeds without complaining or squealing,
fairly quiet and ride well at high speeds (170 km/h). The only complaint is
that they are utterly useless in the winter, then again that could be due to
the weight of the car as opposed to the tires.... but I didnt feel too safe
last year

Wurm
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The SPs were OK but I wore 'em out in a hurry.

I have Pirellis now which stick the same as the Dunlops, but will last 3 times
longer.
 
BANDIT2941 said:
The SPs were OK but I wore 'em out in a hurry.

I have Pirellis now which stick the same as the Dunlops, but will last 3 times
longer.
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Ah, interesting. Ive put about 30k KM on my Dunlops so far (ok, I have 2
that have about 3k on em, replaced from a recent accident but anyway) and
they still stick well and havent started squealing at all, even before the
accident when they were all the same age. Here's a question tho, how long
should I expect them to last, I mean, apart from doing the quarter test
every couple of weeks, what is the average lifespan of a "good" set of tires
taking into account that I'm fairly hard on my car.

Also, which Pirelli's are you using now specifically?, im always interested
in this stuff for future replacements :)

Wurm
 
Ah, interesting. Ive put about 30k KM on my Dunlops so far (ok, I have 2
that have about 3k on em, replaced from a recent accident but anyway) and
they still stick well and havent started squealing at all, even before the
accident when they were all the same age. Here's a question tho, how long
should I expect them to last, I mean, apart from doing the quarter test
every couple of weeks, what is the average lifespan of a "good" set of tires
taking into account that I'm fairly hard on my car.
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I only got like 26k out of them and they were BALD........

If they don't squeal - that means you're not driving it hard enough :)
Also, which Pirelli's are you using now specifically?, im always interested
in this stuff for future replacements :)
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I'm using the Pirelli P400......

I have about the same mileage as the Dunlops when they were shot and I still
have 3/4 life left in 'em :)
 
I happened into this thread a bit late, but thought I'd give
it a whirl...

How serious of winter driving are we talking? Here in coastal
Alaska we live in the black ice center of the universe. And
when it snows, we measure it in feet instead of inches...ah,
enuff hot air!

Last winter, I put some plain old studded General 195/65R15's
on all four wheels of our '96 SW2. We were still sliding around
as the car is so light, so I put 150 lbs of sand bags in the
back and the floor of the back seat. That set 'er down pretty
good and kept it on the road. We lived in Juneau, Alaska last
winter, and believe it or not there are four lane hiways there.

One big difference between 14" and 15" wheels is that you can't
put chains or cable chains on the 15" wheels because there is not
enough clearance. This is sometimes an issue out west when
crossing mountain passes (Rockies, Cascades).

My $.02.

Stephen
 
BANDIT2941 said:
I only got like 26k out of them and they were BALD........

If they don't squeal - that means you're not driving it hard enough :)
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hahahahahah, as much as I wished it were, a stock Saturn is not a sports car
;-), but I figure if I can take a good sharp on-ramp at 90(kmh) without
squealing or skidding, im happy.
I'm using the Pirelli P400......

I have about the same mileage as the Dunlops when they were shot and I still
have 3/4 life left in 'em :)
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holy crap, if they are comparable driving quality ill definetly look into
those for my next tires
 
Also, which Pirelli's are you using now specifically?, im always
interested

holy crap, if they are comparable driving quality ill definetly look into
those for my next tires
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I was pretty shocked myself :)

They're definitly lasting a long time. No more getting new tires every year
like I used to. :)
 
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