SES codes - serious?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Jim R, Feb 24, 2005.

  1. Jim R

    Jim R Guest

    My SES light has been on for a few weeks. I borrowed a OBD/II reader
    from AutoZone, and read the following codes:

    P0133 - 02 Sensor CKT flow response (Bank 1 Sensor 1)

    P0341 - Camshaft position sensor A Bank 1 CKT Range/Perf

    P0133 - pd - same text as first, but with pending.

    This is a 97 SL2 with about 162,000 highway miles.

    How serious is the camshaft position sensor?

    Thanks,
    Jim
     
    Jim R, Feb 24, 2005
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  2. Jim R

    Biker Geek Guest

    Fairly serious--isn't this what determines your ignition timing?
    Or is that the crank position sensor?

    with 162,000 miles I wonder if the timing chain is stretched or
    worn to the point where it's affecting valve timing. If it's
    really serious you could have a car that's "jumped time"--where
    you've jumped a tooth or two on one of the sprockets.
     
    Biker Geek, Feb 25, 2005
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  3. Jim R

    Kirk Kohnen Guest

    The Saturns don't have a camshaft position sensor. The computer figures it
    out based on the spark from the (IIRC) 1-4 coil.

    Anyway, the 341 code is probably due to plugs and wires. You're misfiring,
    and it's confusing the PCM's virtual camshaft position sensor. New plugs and
    new wires should fix this.

    Be sure to use dielectric grease on both ends of the wires, and anti-sieze
    compound on the plug threads. Don't remove the plugs unless the engine is
    first thing in the morning cold.

    As for the 133 code, that's probably an O2 sensor.
     
    Kirk Kohnen, Feb 26, 2005
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  4. Jim R

    Oppie Guest

    You can't make that flat statement these days with the other engines used by
    Saturn. IIRC, the 6cyl, 3.0, L series engine is distributor-less and has
    both crank and cam position sensors.
    The OP did not state the model type or year...
    Oppie
     
    Oppie, Feb 26, 2005
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  5. Jim R

    Jim R Guest

    Ummmm, yes I did.
    "This is a 97 SL2 with about 162,000 highway miles."

    I just replaced the plugs and wires based on other posts, and I reset
    the codes. I'm hoping that was right, since it will save me about $150
    from going to the dealer.

    Jim
     
    Jim R, Feb 26, 2005
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  6. Jim R

    blah blah Guest


    I think someone found a fix for this problem last year. I think it
    involved regapping the plugs from .060 to .040
    Also did you bother to check the resistance of your new plug wires?
     
    blah blah, Feb 26, 2005
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  7. Jim R

    Kirk Kohnen Guest

    Thanks for saving me the trouble of pointing out you had a 97 SL2.

    Another post said it - plug gap 0.040", NOT 0.060.

    Other than that, I bet plugs, wires, O2 sensor, dielectric grease and
    anti-sieze compound and you'll be merrily on your way.

    Good luck!
     
    Kirk Kohnen, Feb 26, 2005
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