Saturn Coolant Supplement Pellets?

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Bob Shuman, Nov 8, 2003.

  1. Bob Shuman

    Bob Shuman Guest

    My 17-year old son has a 1996 SL1 that we drained, flushed, and re-filled
    with ethylene glycol (Peak brand) coolant earlier today in preparation for
    winter.

    When checking out the owner's manual to determine the cooling system
    capacity (7 quarts for those who are interested), I read the following on
    page 281:

    "When the engine coolant is changed for any reason, two engine coolant
    supplement pellets (Saturn P/N 21007224) should be added to the coolant
    reservoir."

    I was surprised to read this since I have been flushing radiators every two
    years on multiple vehicles for 25+ years and never ever had to put in any
    type of supplemental additive. Can anyone shed some light on what is in the
    pellet and why it is needed for this engine cooling system? I am guessing
    possibly corrosion protection, but would appreciate more info form someone
    in the know. Thanks in advance for the info.

    Bob
     
    Bob Shuman, Nov 8, 2003
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  2. Bob Shuman

    Joe Biadasz Guest

    I may be mistaken but I believe these pelllets are a sludge preventor.. even
    though you may dran an fill your coolant as recommended as the engine gets
    older oils, dirt and other particles will get into the system.. These
    pellets may prevent the sludge from cloging the small lines leading to the
    radiator from the resovoir.
     
    Joe Biadasz, Nov 8, 2003
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  3. Bob Shuman

    Buster Guest

    They also are supposed to help lubricate the water pump.
    Buster
     
    Buster, Nov 8, 2003
    #3
  4. I had read a long while back they prevented the waterpump from weeping - I'm
    not a tech and do not know.
     
    Jonnie Santos, Nov 8, 2003
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  5. Here is the explanation from a Saturn mechanic from a
    post from five years ago:():

    "The tablets you speak off are to lube the water pump and to
    seal any small leak that my <sic> come from the water pump.
    They have been used by GM for years and are an excellent
    product. Owners of some Saturns may notice a slight sludge
    in their coolant bottles right from day one, thats <sic> the
    residue of the tablets and is normal."

    I know that my mechanic has a stash of these seal-tabs for use
    with Saturns and Cadillacs that need them.
     
    Steven Scharf, Nov 8, 2003
    #5
  6. Here is the explanation from a Saturn mechanic from a
    post from five years ago:():

    "The tablets you speak off are to lube the water pump and to
    seal any small leak that my <sic> come from the water pump.
    They have been used by GM for years and are an excellent
    product. Owners of some Saturns may notice a slight sludge
    in their coolant bottles right from day one, thats <sic> the
    residue of the tablets and is normal."

    I know that my mechanic has a stash of these seal-tabs for use
    with Saturns and Cadillacs that need them.
     
    Steven Scharf, Nov 8, 2003
    #6
  7. Here is the explanation from a Saturn mechanic from a
    post from five years ago:():

    "The tablets you speak off are to lube the water pump and to
    seal any small leak that my <sic> come from the water pump.
    They have been used by GM for years and are an excellent
    product. Owners of some Saturns may notice a slight sludge
    in their coolant bottles right from day one, thats <sic> the
    residue of the tablets and is normal."

    I know that my mechanic has a stash of these seal-tabs for use
    with Saturns and Cadillacs that need them.
     
    Steven Scharf, Nov 8, 2003
    #7
  8. Here is the explanation from a Saturn mechanic from a
    post from five years ago:():

    "The tablets you speak off are to lube the water pump and to
    seal any small leak that my <sic> come from the water pump.
    They have been used by GM for years and are an excellent
    product. Owners of some Saturns may notice a slight sludge
    in their coolant bottles right from day one, thats <sic> the
    residue of the tablets and is normal."

    I know that my mechanic has a stash of these seal-tabs for use
    with Saturns and Cadillacs that need them.
     
    Steven Scharf, Nov 8, 2003
    #8
  9. Here is the explanation from a Saturn mechanic from a
    post from five years ago:():

    "The tablets you speak off are to lube the water pump and to
    seal any small leak that my <sic> come from the water pump.
    They have been used by GM for years and are an excellent
    product. Owners of some Saturns may notice a slight sludge
    in their coolant bottles right from day one, thats <sic> the
    residue of the tablets and is normal."

    I know that my mechanic has a stash of these seal-tabs for use
    with Saturns and Cadillacs that need them.
     
    Steven Scharf, Nov 8, 2003
    #9
  10. Here is the explanation from a Saturn mechanic from a
    post from five years ago:():

    "The tablets you speak off are to lube the water pump and to
    seal any small leak that my <sic> come from the water pump.
    They have been used by GM for years and are an excellent
    product. Owners of some Saturns may notice a slight sludge
    in their coolant bottles right from day one, thats <sic> the
    residue of the tablets and is normal."

    I know that my mechanic has a stash of these seal-tabs for use
    with Saturns and Cadillacs that need them.
     
    Steven Scharf, Nov 8, 2003
    #10
  11. Bob Shuman

    Glomis Guest

    Jeeze...could you post that again...I didn't get to read it the first SIX
    TIMES!!!!
     
    Glomis, Nov 8, 2003
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  12. Bob Shuman

    TC Guest

    I wouldn't use them. They are actually ginger root used to seal any
    small leaks. They really sludge up the system. Just use palin old
    water pump lubricant if that's what you feel the pellets are for.
     
    TC, Nov 8, 2003
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  13. Bob Shuman

    Bob Shuman Guest

    Thanks for the replies.

    Went to the dealer and picked up the pellets (part number given was
    superceded by a new one and cost was $3.52 for two). Parts guy said they
    were to seal the system and were definitely a GOOD IDEA for our 1996 SL1
    single cam engine. I crushed them and then dropped the powder into the
    reservoir.

    I guess I kind of agree with TC below and do not understand why anything
    extra should be needed to seal the system and believe that whatever gets
    added will only hasten the demise of the radiator and cause blockage.

    But, in the end I figured replacing a radiator is easier then replacing the
    head gasket...so put them in as the owner's manual stated.

    Bob
     
    Bob Shuman, Nov 9, 2003
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  14. I believe that some of these things are actually made from walnut shells..
    GM puts them in a lot of cars at the factory to prevent small leaks/weeping
    around hose fittings and such. They are meant to seal only very small leaks,
    they're not like the "stop leak" stuff you usually see at auto parts stores,
    which apparently does tend to clog things up sometimes.
     
    Robert Hancock, Nov 9, 2003
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  15. Bob Shuman

    Napalm Heart Guest

    When I was young, we used black pepper as a quick, cheap, and
    available stop leak. Seemed to work as well as most.

    Ken
     
    Napalm Heart, Nov 9, 2003
    #15
  16. ....and the turbomachinery company I work for used to use a walnut shell
    concoction to clean turbine engines. I remember having to stock it by the
    pallet load in the warehouse years ago...
     
    Jonnie Santos, Nov 9, 2003
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  17. You shouldn't have used Peak... it has phosphates in it (check your label to
    be sure). Saturn forbids phosphates, though I don't know why.
     
    Jeff McDonald, Nov 10, 2003
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  18. Bob Shuman

    Bob Shuman Guest

    Interesting that the Peak bottle clearly states that it is Ethylene Glycol
    since this is the first ingredient listed. But, as you have pointed out, it
    also lists Dipotassium Phosphate (7758-11-4), water (7732-18-5), and
    "corrosion inhibitors, silicates, defoamer, and dyes."

    I had assumed from the owner's manual that it would be either Ethylene
    Glycol based OR Phosphate based and that they were referring to the newer
    longer lasting formulations. Anyone familiar with this requirement? Again,
    this is our first Saturn and I would like to follow the manual. What is the
    harm in using Peak? Anyone else made this mistake and have a tale to tell?
    What antifreeze should be used (other than what is available from the
    dealer?)

    Thanks for additional responses.

    Bob
     
    Bob Shuman, Nov 10, 2003
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  19. Bob Shuman

    James1549 Guest

    First you need to be sure that the coolant you use is PHOSPHATE FREE. Then be
    sure to add the conditioner tablets once a year. They do NOT cause sludge. I
    change my coolant every 2 years and my coolant system is as clean as the day
    the car was new.

    The information I read claims the tablets condition the coolant that
    non-phosphate coolant lacks. It clearly is NOT a stop leak product.

    Also I read that eventually, all coolants will be phosphate free thanks to the
    EPA.

    James1549
     
    James1549, Nov 11, 2003
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  20. Bob Shuman

    C. E. White Guest

    Saturn uses Dexcool instead of conventional antifreeze. The base
    ingredient is the same but the anti-corrosion chemistry is different. It
    is a bad idea to mix the two.

    Ed
     
    C. E. White, Nov 11, 2003
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