RIP

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by dave_too2, Oct 1, 2009.

  1. dave_too2

    dave_too2 Guest

    I just heard the news... it got me to thinking, my very first internet
    search was for "Saturn" (My second search: Saturn -planet). I had a
    photo of my '94 SC1 on the "Saturn Server", subscribed to the
    listserv, followed the newsgroup, laughed at the "Ellen" spoof.
    Farewell, Saturn.
     
    dave_too2, Oct 1, 2009
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  2. dave_too2

    SMS Guest

    What was strange on the radio news today was that there was a commercial
    for Saturn, and then the newscaster segued into the story about Saturn
    shutting down, which probably didn't make whoever paid for that ad very
    happy.

    Looks like it was Renault failing to agree to supply vehicles to Penske
    after GM no longer would supply cars is what killed the deal. Could have
    been a back door way for Renault to return to the U.S..

    I saw a Saturn Sky the other day, the first one I've seen and it looked
    really nice.
     
    SMS, Oct 1, 2009
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  3. dave_too2

    Oppie Guest

    The advertising is contracted for long in advance so last minute corporate
    changes often don't affect it.

    I remember when Texas Instruments, the semiconductor manufacturer, had
    cancelled their development of bubble memories as computer storage media.
    There was a big article on bubble memory technology in one of the
    engineering magazines which appeared several days after the press
    announcement that TI was terminating development.
    http://www.decadecounter.com/vta/tubepage.php?item=30

    All the same, I'm now wondering where I will get repair parts for my L
    series. Many parts are dealer only. Hopefully, these will still be available
    through other GM dealers.
    I went thorough the same thing (25?) years ago when I had a Chrysler product
    at the point when they started to go under. Since the company was producing
    the Army M1 Abrams tank, they got a bail-out.
    Déjà vu...
     
    Oppie, Oct 1, 2009
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  4. dave_too2

    SMS Guest

    I expect that GM will continue servicing Saturns for a few years, then
    they'll sell any remaining parts inventory to some third party that will
    make it available to independent mechanics (as happened with Daewoo).

    The lack of after-market parts has always been an issue with Saturn
    since they sold in such small volumes there was no incentive for
    after-market manufacturers to jump in with alternatives to dealer parts
    as you see with nearly every mass market brand.
     
    SMS, Oct 3, 2009
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  5. dave_too2

    Private Guest



    IMHO one of the most major failings of GM was their failure to integrate
    Saturn spare parts into their huge and well established GM parts
    distribution system. This, more than anything else caused Saturn to remain
    as a second class orphan in the GM family and was the major issue which
    almost caused me to pass on the purchase of my first new Saturn in 1996. I
    had
    existing relationships and understanding of the workings of the GM system
    that allowed me to buy GM parts wholesale, but was never able to get similar
    service from Saturn. This caused me to avoid the Saturn dealer shops even
    more than I would have otherwise.

    The closure of the Saturn brand and division will IMHO result in a steep
    drop in resale value due in large part to fears of parts availability
    problems. There is still good availability of S series cars at the self
    serve wreckers but this will probably diminish with time. Now is the time
    to stock up on spare parts such as radiators, wheels (w tires) and mufflers.
    I suggest that the low resale value will make the purchase of an inexpensive
    similar car a good strategy as a source for major spare parts or as a spare
    good running car. I suspect that normal aftermarket replacement parts such
    as brakes, plugs, filters and tires will continue to be available with
    better price and quality than the factory dealers were.

    I still think that the S series cars are an excellent design and give great
    value. I also think that Saturn should have continued to produce them
    (especially the SW1) and that the greatest failure of Saturn marketing was
    in not selling an optional turbo diesel. I lost interest in purchasing new
    Saturns when they dropped the SW1 but my existing cars are still giving
    excellent cost effective service and hope to keep them for many more years.
    My original 96 SW1 now has 330,000km and still burns only 1lt of oil every
    1,500km and the gas consumption is getting even better (lower) than when
    new.

    Good luck and Happy trails,
     
    Private, Oct 4, 2009
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  6. dave_too2

    SMS Guest

    There were so many reasons that Saturn failed it's hard to know where to
    start. From mediocre products to lack of innovation, to its stubbornness
    of sticking with fixed pricing while the competition priced their
    vehicles according to supply & demand, to depending on a small subset of
    the market that was more into a quality buying experience than a quality
    vehicle, Saturn will be a business school study for decades.
     
    SMS, Oct 4, 2009
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  7. dave_too2

    caviller Guest


    On a positive note- After more than a decade and many thousands of
    Saturn newsgroup posts under various names, your personal vendetta
    against Saturn and Saturn owners can hopefully be put to rest along
    with the brand. Happy trails.
     
    caviller, Oct 25, 2009
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