Redline ION test drive

Discussion in 'Saturn ION' started by marx404, Jun 24, 2004.

  1. marx404

    marx404 Guest

    Finally, I got a few minutes to drive the new ION Redline. Picked out a nice
    empty winding service road and got it up into 4th gear. The shirt throw
    shifter just snapped into each gear almost effortlessly. Man, I cannot
    remember having such a thrill behind the wheel of a sport compact in a long
    time. As it was new, I didnt want to dog on it, but what fun!! It hugged
    every curve even when dropping from 3rd to 2nd gear. True toe-and heel
    shifting and much enhanced steering than the regular ION and the Recaros
    hugged with every curve. Just for fun I hit the brakes at 30 and she stopped
    smoothly on a dime. Virtually no torque steer when accelerating. I really
    felt that I had great confidence and control over this car at any speed. The
    exhaust let out a sweet tone, yet it didn't resonate through the floor like
    my Dynomax does in my 94 SL2. The suspension was so much smoother than what
    I expected, yet firm enough to prevent body roll throughout the steep turns.
    Well done Saturn! I do hope that this car is a symbol of things to come.

    marx404, Jun 24, 2004
  2. Should also be nice if it crosses over to the Cobalt (Cobalt SS?) in a
    2-door version which should be lighter than the ION. Is the ION Red Line 4
    wheel disc or conventional disc and drum combo?
    Jonnie Santos, Jun 24, 2004
  3. marx404

    marx404 Guest

    oh yea, 4 wheel disc and it stops on a dime. The Cobalt SS will be a good
    looking model when it comes out. I wonder if it will have the same
    suspension tuning as the RL and if it will go thru the same testing by the
    GM Performance team.

    marx404, Jun 24, 2004
  4. marx404

    Lane Guest

    The thing I appreciated most in my test drives was the whine of the
    supercharger being audible when you're at WOT. It's not really loud or
    anything, but it's there.

    Lane [ l a n e @ p a i r . c o m ]
    Lane, Jun 25, 2004
  5. marx404

    Lane Guest

    The thing I appreciated most in my test drives was the whine of the
    supercharger being audible when you're at WOT. It's not really loud or
    anything, but it's there.

    Lane [ l a n e @ p a i r . c o m ]
    Lane, Jun 25, 2004
  6. marx404

    Blah blah Guest

    Does that supercharger do anything to make that 4 banger sound any
    better? Its the only production 4 banger I can think of with a
    supercharger. All 4 bangers so far sound "farty" to me. Best way I can
    discribe it.

    Blah blah, Jun 25, 2004
  7. marx404

    marx404 Guest

    Honestly, I had the A/C on and could only hear the exhaust note, which was a
    sweet tone and not too loud. The Supercharger and ecotec are both pretty
    quiet altogether. This car is definately a sleeper.

    marx404, Jun 26, 2004
  8. marx404

    hjk Guest

    Interesting. I have yet to see one in person or hear one myself. Saturn
    needs to try "advertising". I cant recall any saturn comercials in a
    long while. Personaly I wish they put that supercharged motor in the
    sedan. The supercharged coup looks to much like a ricers wet dream to
    hjk, Jun 26, 2004
  9. marx404

    Blah blah Guest

    Oops. Forgot to enter my correct handle. Just done a clean install of
    windows... :)
    Blah blah, Jun 26, 2004
  10. marx404

    Lane Guest

    I hate the rice look myself, but the RL is nicely done without being
    overdone. They left the big rear wing as an option and didn't make it
    standard, so that's good.

    Saturn has been advertising this car. See the commercial on TV where both
    the RL VUE and coupe are driving down the road next to each other and the
    guys crawl out the window of one and into the other? There has also been
    some nice garage-themed ads for the coupe in a variety of car magazines.
    It's here:

    Lane [ l a n e @ p a i r . c o m ]
    Lane, Jun 26, 2004
  11. marx404

    Lane Guest

    I think the sound on whatever car(s) you're referring to is a function of
    the exhaust system that's on the car. Most in stock form that I've heard
    are nearly silent. They do sound bad in my opinion, when people start
    putting on the big coffee-can mufflers.

    Lane [ l a n e @ p a i r . c o m ]
    Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at

    Lane, Jun 26, 2004
  12. This makes me think of something I keep meaning to ask the group (and
    usually forget)... is running the engine at high RPM's (even redline) hard
    on sub systems like the ac compressor, alternator and water pump? I assume
    they're designed for all rpm ranges, however if you're doing 1/8 mile drags
    at the local, sanctioned race event and bouncing off the limiter every
    Friday night are you shortening the life of the accessories? (yeah, I
    already figured the engine is taking a toll too)
    Jonnie Santos, Jun 26, 2004
  13. marx404

    Lane Guest

    In theory, I would think it would shorten the life. But, I've driven my '94
    in at least 15 - 20 road course lapping events over a 5 year period without
    any ill effects when it comes to accessories. Each event is usually about
    3 - 4 hours of hard driving on the track with the vehicle on and off of
    redline constantly. I've even still got the original alternator in it at
    around 130k which is kind of amazing by itself.

    I'd guess that unless it's a dedicated race car and you hit the track every
    weekend (or even more often), you'll probably never have a problem with the

    On the other hand, however - if the car EVER sees the track, do yourself a
    favor and treat it to synthetic oil. It will certainly help the longevity
    of the motor which is operating a bit outside of what the factory intended
    as normal use. :)

    Lane [ l a n e @ p a i r . c o m ]
    (been thru more than one motor)
    Lane, Jun 26, 2004
  14. I tried synth when I first started having oil consumption issues (prior to
    the rebuild). Then I went back to dino and change every 2000 miles (which
    works out to about every 3 months). In all these years I never made it to a
    track or autocross event.

    Was it your street or track Saturn that had the spun main bearing audio
    track on your site? Did you rebuild on just get another long block (just

    Jonnie Santos, Jun 26, 2004
  15. marx404

    Lane Guest

    It happened to my '94, which is my daily driver. Since the car was 4 states
    away from home at the time, I had the car towed to a Saturn dealer and had
    them put in a different motor to get it back on the road as soon as
    possible. The cost on that was the incentive I needed to buy a second car
    that was just for the track. You do drive a car differently when you know
    it doesn't have to get you home from the track, and you don't have to drive
    it to work the next day. I just wish I'd done it a bit sooner.

    That spun bearing happened at around 90k. When I pulled the motor apart, it
    was unreal how much gunk and residue was inside the motor - and I was
    religious about changing the oil every 2000 - 3000 miles. I've been running
    synth in the replacement motor since 500 miles. I recently had to swap the
    valve cover gasket on it at around 50k or so miles. Taking a look a the top
    end, it doesn't even look like oil has touched the inside of the motor it is
    so clean.

    Lane [ l a n e @ p a i r . c o m ]
    Visit my Saturn Car Audio and Performance Page at

    Lane, Jun 27, 2004
  16. ....hmmm, I may 're-think' my position on synth. I wonder if the gunk is the
    aftermath of metallurgical interaction (reaction?) between the internal
    parts and the dino oil and or themselves, or dino's lubricant ability is
    less than that of synth? I think Vettes and 911's come factory with Mobil

    Jonnie Santos, Jun 27, 2004
  17. marx404

    Blah blah Guest

    My connection has sucked all this month...
    Thought I posted the following

    Dino oil sludges up mostly because it contains more "ash".
    Blah blah, Jun 27, 2004
  18. marx404

    spiru Guest

    Yeah when my first engine gave up the ghost @ 42K hard miles it was
    surprisingly clean. I used Mobile 1 from the start and it showed in my
    opinion! I'll never use anything else...
    spiru, Jun 27, 2004
  19. marx404

    marx404 Guest

    I swsear by Mobil 1 and wont use anything else. I have has my iol pan
    removed once in my 94 already at 88K miles and it looked almost clean enough
    to eat from. I used to street race classic Mustangs ('65 '66) in the '80's
    and after having oil related problems, I switched to Mobil 1 and have never
    had any oil problems in any car no matter how I drive or what kind of car I
    drove. Now I use it in my '94 SL2 and stand firm in my belief in this oil.

    Just a note: I have had many a customer ask me if they use synthetic that
    means that they can go longer than 3 months changing thier oil. The answer
    is NO. No matter what oil you use you must always stick to a strict regimen
    of changing your oil on time. All oil wears or chemically breaks down after
    3 months of use, synthetic or not.

    I am glad that Saturn (albeit thier previous stance against using synth oil
    in the past) decided to go with Mobil 1. The oil filler cap is even
    imprinted with Mobil1 5-30 on it. Cool, I want that cap.

    btw- If you dont believe about this car, goto your local dealer and drive
    one, nuff said.

    marx404, Jun 27, 2004
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