On ABS, TC and SCCA

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by marx404, May 5, 2007.

  1. marx404

    marx404 Guest

    Anyone care to add to this confusing debate that I have been having with my
    co-workers? Some ppl I talk to say that if you know how to drive, these are
    nice "piece of mind" safety features and not really necessary. Some say that
    under slippery conditions that ABS will actually increase a car's stopping
    distance. Saturn's TC works based upon ABS and will cut down on fuel or even
    shut off fuel if upshifting the engine isn't enough. My SC2 doesn't have
    ABS/TC, I am old school and know how & when to pump my brakes to slow down.
    Some say ABS is for panic only situations, and that in the race circuits ABS
    is against the rules and many actually will disable ABS/TC to enhance thier
    handling. What do you think?
     
    marx404, May 5, 2007
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  2. marx404

    Kevin Guest

    If you read Grassroots Motorsports, they were able to get better lap
    times when they disabled the "nanny controls." They do allow people to
    control their vehicles in emergencies, but what happens when you get
    into a car that doesn't have them???

    I'm a firm believer in teaching people to drive, and know how to control
    their vehicles in emergencies. Driver's training in the US, and
    license requirements, are a joke.


    Some say that
    It doesn't increase the stopping distance. It allows for threshold
    braking without the driver having to know how to do it.

    ABS is not allowed in some racing classes, such as F1, but within the
    SCCA, if you are racing a production car that came with ABS, you can
    continue to run it.

    And I know of some racers who do disable it, because they are better
    able to threshold brake than the ABS system.
     
    Kevin, May 6, 2007
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  3. marx404

    Lane Guest

    I've seen this debate before and here is my opinion. In only a few months,
    I'll have owned my '94 SC2 with ABS for 14 years.

    The main advantage to ABS is being able to maintain control of the direction
    of the car when full braking force is applied. This is most noticeable on
    wet, gravel, snow, etc. I've seen this always as being the point it is sold
    on, and NOT claims that it necessarily will get you stopped any faster.

    On dry pavement, popular opinion feels that an expert at threshold braking
    can --marginally-- outperform ABS. This may be slightly advantageous during
    autocross or road racing provided the driver is actually good at it. But
    for the average Joe on the road... Too bad that not even an expert has time
    for any mental processing in most accidents or emergency situations -
    actions come from instinct which is usually to jam on the brakes and crap
    your pants (but not necessarily in that order).

    My ABS has saved my butt several times. The instinct of jamming the pedal
    thru the floor in an emergency situation makes the safety belts knock the
    wind out of you without a hint of tire squeal or lockup. That's pretty good
    in my book.

    Now, if you're talking SCCA or some form of on-track competition comes into
    play... I believe Kevin covered that best in his post on this topic.

    Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]
     
    Lane, May 9, 2007
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