Least Reliable American Car

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by WoodBee, Jul 20, 2006.

  1. WoodBee

    WoodBee Guest

    Saturn Relay minivan (tie)
    WoodBee, Jul 20, 2006
  2. WoodBee

    Jim Guest

    Please don't feed the troll.
    Jim, Jul 21, 2006
  3. WoodBee

    Talkin Horse Guest

    Why's he a troll? He's pointing out mainstream news evaluations about the
    latest Saturns. Those reports may not be the final word on the subject (and
    in fact I hope they're not), but they're certainly worthy of being
    Talkin Horse, Jul 22, 2006
  4. WoodBee

    Box134 Guest

    I subscribe to CR on-line so I thought I mosey on down there and see what
    they say since Forbes is using their info.

    "Saturn's first minivan is among the GM minivans that have been in
    production since 1997. As with the Buick Terraza, Chevrolet Uplander, and
    Pontiac Montana SV6, the Relay is powered by a coarse 3.5-liter V6 engine. A
    3.9-liter V6 is optional. We found the ride stiff and noisy, the handling
    reluctant, and the fit and finish insubstantial. The second-row seats can be
    folded and removed, but they are heavy. The third-row seat folds flat on top
    of the floor rather than into a well under the floor. This is basically an
    outdated and uncompetitive minivan. First-year reliability is much worse
    than average. IIHS side-crash test results are Poor without the optional
    side air bags and Marginal with them."

    - Consumer Reports

    If you delve into the details of the reliability ratings:

    Engine - Excellent
    Cooling - Excellent
    Transmission - Excellent
    Drive System - Excellent
    Fuel - Good
    Ignitiion - Excellent
    Electrical - Poor
    AC - Very Good
    Suspension - Good
    Brakes - Good
    Exhaust - Excellent
    Paint/Trim/Rust - Poor
    Body Integrity - Poor
    Power equipment - Poor
    Body hardware - Fair
    Used Car Verdicts - Poor

    Really sounds like a poorly made body with excellent power plant. Maybe not
    great, but doesn't sound that bad either. Most major components come out

    Crash and rollover tests:
    Gov't front-crash test, driver: - Excellent
    Gov't front-crash test, front passenger: - Excellent
    Gov't side-crash test, driver - Very Good
    Gov't side-crash test, rear passenger - Excellent
    Gov't rollover test, 2WD - Good
    Gov't rollover test, 4WDNA - NA
    IIHS offset crash testGood - Good
    IIHS side crash test, with side air bags - Marginal
    IIHS side crash test, without side air bags - Poor

    With the exception of side impact, safety is good.

    So, all I can say is CR has very high standards indeed. Of course they
    slagged the SL2 and here I am still driving the car I bought in Noevmber,

    (In the interests of full disclosure, I don't own a Relay.)

    Saturn Relay minivan (tie)
    Box134, Jul 22, 2006

  5. Good point.

    I wrote off NEW Saturn's as not being American anymore because of
    their low percentage of American made components. It seems that this
    latest negative press, still promotes them at AMERICAN cars. So in
    this case bad press might actually create more buyer loyality.


    tom @ www.IRantAndRave.com
    Tom The Great, Jul 22, 2006
  6. WoodBee

    Talkin Horse Guest

    I noticed this also. I'm sure the question of "what is American?" is
    much-discussed with no final resolution, since a number of "foreign" cars
    seem more "American" than many "American" cars are. I was drawn to Saturn in
    the first place when I saw that Detroit finally built a reliable car with
    good mileage. And I guess there's still some truth to that, but it now seems
    to be relatively less reliable (although the standards have gone up, so it
    may still be decent in absolute terms) with lower mileage and more foreign
    components. So there's a sense of a diminished essential appeal, even if
    it's still an okay car at an okay price. Maybe that's just a touchy-feely
    perception. Then again, the three Saturn dealers closest to me have folded
    up their tents and disappeared in the last year.
    Talkin Horse, Jul 23, 2006

  7. Actually I heard the FED has responded. I was told, that for a
    product to be labeled as a "domestic car" it must contain atleast 75%
    American Made Parts, and I think the Assembly must take place in the

    So the term American Car might be meaning less like "lite beer",
    doesn't mean anything really.

    Tom The Great, Jul 23, 2006
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