Latest Saturn horror story

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by misterfact, Oct 27, 2004.

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    misterfact Guest

    a horror story about saturn
    I tow my saturn behind my r.v. the dealer never told me I had to
    balance and rotate my tires. every 6000 miles.
    the transmission was destroyed they told me it was my fault. I sued
    them in small claims court and a few days before the court date they
    refunded me the $3500.00 I paid to have it reparied.the dealer in
    roseville
    ca. was absolutely no help, customer service told me too bad. so I had
    to sue them.it was amazing how fast they settled when they were served
    with small claims court papers. I did it all on the internet from my
    home in auburn ca. . the total cost was $27.00. (certified return
    receipt.filing papers etc) I have 37000 miles on it and am on my
    third set of tires. so my advice after trying to deal with these
    people do not fight them take them to court,. until they change
    management, think twice before buying a saturn. I will not go into all
    the details but you can email me at

    kenneth oelrich





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    misterfact, Oct 27, 2004
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    ProfWdesk1 Guest

    My tires were very good after 50k ... I rotated them at 20k and 40k ... no
    problems ... Great car!!!! Roy, 98 SL2
     
    ProfWdesk1, Oct 28, 2004
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  3. Huh?

    Standard text in ANY car owner's manual - do not tow the car on all 4
    wheels. In fact, it's bad for any car out there, and murderous to any
    *automatic* transmission car.

    Because the transmission doesn't get lubrication when the motor's not
    running - the engine spins the tranny's oil pump.

    The simple fact is, and RV heads absolutely hate hearing this, but the
    only safe way to tow a car is either with a dolly that keeps the drive
    wheels off the ground, or with the halfshafts out. Spinning the
    transmission via the drivesshaft for hours on end at high speed, without
    the engine running to keep the pump going, will destory ANY automatic
    out there, and is bad for most manuals too.

    No car company covers dammage from intentional use. I'm failing to see
    how this is a 'horror story'....
     
    Philip Nasadowski, Oct 28, 2004
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    WTP07 Guest

    We regularly tow our "chase vehicle" behind our large trucks, and we ALWAYS
    idle the engine while it is being towed...even if it is for hours at a time.
    No problems on a cheapo Mazda pickup.

    As far as your tire problems...what does THAT have to do with the price of
    tea in China? It sounds like you either got some bad advice or NO advice on
    the proper way to tow your saturn behind your RV. Based on what I see
    around the country, Saturns are a pretty popular car to tow behind Land
    Yachts.

    R.
     
    WTP07, Oct 28, 2004
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  5. Yes. This keeps the transmission lubricated. I'm guessing automatic
    here? An automatic can be destroyed towing it with the motor off. With
    the motor on, it pretty much thinks it's in neutral all day - the front
    pump is pushing lube through the system.

    Then again, after thinking about it, do the gears turn at all in a
    manual in neutral with the engine off? If not, that's bad for them too
    - since it's the spinning gears that splash the lube around.

    In any case, proper towing is the key - and running the engine does the
    trick here. No manufacturer I know of would do a tranny replaccement in
    or out of warrenty for someone who improperly towed a car (and the
    manual says what the proper methods are!)
     
    Philip Nasadowski, Oct 28, 2004
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    Oppie Guest

    Good idea to keep the engine of the towed car running. It is not so much
    lubrication as the sustained hydraulic pressure that keeps the auto trany
    from getting damaged. With the engine off, the clutch packs all drag and
    will wear out. With engine on, the pump is circulating fluid for cooling and
    will hold the clutches in the correct sequence.
     
    Oppie, Oct 28, 2004
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  8. Paul Dougherty, Oct 28, 2004
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  9. Actually the Saturn S-Series cars were designed to be pulled without having
    to put it on a trailer of any type. Though the note did not say what type
    of Saturn the person had. If they had a L-Series then they abused the car
    and tough luck. The L-Series was NOT designed to be pulled without a
    trailer holding it up.

    Jim
     
    Seamus's Stuff, Oct 29, 2004
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    Dan Duncan Guest

    Now click on "New Models" and you'll see it only covers the
    cars that were new for 1998. IE, the S series. (Hey, mine
    is a 1998 S series... SW2)

    Apparently they need to update their web site..

    -DanD
     
    Dan Duncan, Oct 30, 2004
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    misterfact Guest


    The horror story happens because the facts are hidden IN FINE PRINT
    somewhere in the middle of the owners manual! Besides- common sense
    says that when any car is put in NEUTRAL the wheels are dis-engaged
    from the transmission. So why should the trans be affected at all? We
    all see cars being towed with 4 wheels on the pavement and conditioned
    to believe it can't hart any car! So thanks for the information but
    don't expect Saturn to put a bold sticker on the dashboard informing
    owners of this!
     
    misterfact, Oct 31, 2004
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    BANDIT2941 Guest

    The horror story happens because the facts are hidden IN FINE PRINT
    Well maybe you should RTFM manual, dipshit!!!!!

    Why should the trans be affected? Its common sense to me that it *IS* affected.
    Maybe you're just a stupid ass?
     
    BANDIT2941, Oct 31, 2004
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    Steve Guest

    The only reason many people (like me) buy a Saturn is because (for most
    older and some new models) they CAN be towed 4-down according to the Saturn
    and will still be covered under warranty. RTFM!

    The transmission pump in many Saturns is spun by the wheels and not the
    engine. There are several other vehicles that operate this way and can be
    towed 4-down, many other vehicles allow it under limited speeds/mileage
    because they are either designed very well and/or get a low level of
    lubrication without the engine running. For those vehicles that don't get
    enough circulation, you can install an aftermarket "lube pump" from the
    likes of Remco Towing.

    As for the suggestion made in another post to tow with the engine running,
    that's just plain dumb! If the engine doesn't overheat from poor air flow,
    the power steering pump doesn't fail from fighting the turning wheels, there
    is always the chance of it slipping into gear and push both vehicles off a
    cliff.
     
    Steve, Oct 31, 2004
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  14. RTFM. Duh. It's not Saturn's fault for you not reasing your manual.
    No, that's not how car transmissions work.
    Because it's still being spun by the wheels. And it's not recieving
    full lubrication because the front pump isn't running. Unless the front
    pump in an automatic is running, the transission is not being properly
    lubricated. In a manual, unless the engine's running and spinning the
    gears, there's no splash lubrication to the needle bearings on the
    various shafts. Shafts which spin regardless of if the transmission's
    in gear or not.
    I see soccer moms weaving through traffic in their SUVs while yapping on
    phones al the time. This doesn't mean it's a good idea, or safe.
    Why would they? Nobody else does. But, if you look in the manual, it
    clearly states how you should tow the vehicle, and what conditions apply.

    Simply reading the manual will give the answer. It's not Saturn's fault
    if the owners don't read and follow the manual.
     
    Philip Nasadowski, Nov 1, 2004
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  15. ....now say what you really mean! (grin)

    Happy Halloween all...
     
    Jonnie Santos, Nov 1, 2004
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    Roy Guest

    "common sense says that when any car is put in NEUTRAL the wheels are
    dis-engaged from the transmission."
    No. Common sense says that when the car is in neutral the wheels are
    disengaged from the engine not the transmission.
     
    Roy, Nov 1, 2004
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  17. Very True. I just got my new 2004 ION 3 last tuesday. No matter how
    boring it was, I read the manual cover to cover, plus all the warranty
    information (what's covered what's not) and the service schedule. It's
    only common sense. And to address the original poster (I don't
    remember which car he had was it an SL or an ION?), the ION manual
    section 4 pgs. 31-33 has pretty specific instructions on towing for
    the various transmissions. The manual transmission car is the only one
    that can be towed with 4 wheels on the ground and it gives specific
    instructions on how to do it with pictures and everything, it's hard
    to miss, certainly not fine print. I quote "Five Speed Automatic and
    VTi: Your vehicle was not designed to be towed with all four wheels on
    the ground"
     
    Rev Turd Fredericks, Nov 1, 2004
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    BANDIT2941 Guest

    ...now say what you really mean! (grin)

    LOL.....this guy really is a dipshit and very annoying. Nobody should pay for
    his own stupidity but himself. Just because he's a stupid ass doesn't mean he
    has to degrade Saturn all over the place.
    You too.....
     
    BANDIT2941, Nov 1, 2004
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  19. Isn't he the one who promotes illegal splicing of power cords, too?
     
    Philip Nasadowski, Nov 2, 2004
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  20. With the key off, the miles don't add up on the car's odometer.
     
    Jeff McDonald, Nov 4, 2004
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