latest SATURN HORROR STORY !!!

[Philip Nasadowski]

This is way off topic but what ever happened to checking ones smoke detector monthly?

*shrug*. My family does it. Both of them. We smoke test them occasionally too, though generally because of my mom's cooking

I must be reading something wrong because I cant
believe someone would hardwire a smoke detector to their home wiring.

Me neither. There's practically no current draw, and in any case, virtually ever smoke detector made in the last 25 years will beep if the battery is low.

It be real fun if the eletrical box went and the smoke detector had a dead battery. Yeah thats some real insurance of being warned there...

Which is why plug in / battery backup types lost favor ages ago. Batteries got better, electric service still gets wiped out in a fire.

Battery smoke detectors generally run until they're burnt up. Plenty of stories from my dad (ex NYFD) about how they'd STILL be beeping away even though the entire home's on fire. They'll run until they're melted into a pile of plastic residue.

Home fire sprinklers are eventually comming too. There's no way around it - fire sprinklers have proven time and time again to save lives, which is why they're required just about everywhere (IIRC, even so called 'fireproof' buildings in NYC must have them now)

Oh, what as the topic? Mrfact being full of it? This is news?

 

[Blind Saturn Driver]

I'm new to this group but..... is this a Saturn Newsgroup or is it a MrFact Newsgroup....?? This is better'n than the comic section of the newspaper!
lol

 

[Steven M. Scharf]

This is way off topic but what ever happened to checking ones smoke detector monthly? I must be reading something wrong because I cant believe someone would hardwire a smoke detector to their home wiring. It be real fun if the eletrical box went and the smoke detector had a dead battery. Yeah thats some real insurance of being warned there... If one ever needed ANY MORE proof that this guys a moron... <roles eyes>

Hardwiring detectors is standard practice in new construction and commercial buildings. Of course what Michael Kormann did is not permitted by the electrical code, far too dangerous. And as another poster pointed out, if there is an electrical fire, and it is caused by violations of the electrical code, good luck collecting on your insurance.

 

[misterfact]

Actually, that'd be the National Electric Code, which is LAW in all of the US, not some 'professional group' reccomendation.

Generally violations of the NEC void your fire insurance, and most certainly do if the cause of the fire was electrical.

The NEC forbids splices unless they're for temporary purposes until a suitable replacement can be found, and the reason is simple: splices - ANY splice - have a higher resistance than the line cord, thus have a voltage drop accross them, thus at X current times Y voltage drop are creating Z watts of heat in them.

Gee! I guess all the splices in my walls for permanent light fixtures put in by the electricial who wired my house, are temporary and dangerous. I think a good splice is done with metal ferules and then isolated with plastic tubing- then the whole thing wrapped with electrical tape. Maybe your definition of "splices" is different than mine.

 

[misterfact]

I'm new to this group but..... is this a Saturn Newsgroup or is it a MrFact Newsgroup....?? This is better'n than the comic section of the newspaper!
lol

Where would you hardwire a smoke detector into- YOUR PLUMBING?

 

[misterfact]

well? just curious who are you and why are you spending so much of your personal time flaming saturn? are you a disgruntled ex-saturn employee? how do you know so many negative "facts" about saturn?

marx404

Who is Marx404 and why is he so in love with rip-off companies like Saturn?

 

[blah blah]

Hey cool I just tried out a feature on my newsreader that I've never used before. If it works like I think it should I wont be seeing anymore of mistercrap's post on my reader for a good long while. He was funny at first for being so unbelievably ignorant but man that got old real fast. Its time to stomp that troll back down under the bridge and march on for more relevant and intelligent post.

 

[Philip Nasadowski]

And as another poster pointed out, if
there is an electrical fire, and it is caused by violations of the electrical code, good luck collecting on your insurance.

If there's an electrical fire, period. If it was caused by the violations, it's a no brainer - you're SOL. Even if it wasn't, than you're still going to have a hard time. Realistically, the ins co simply has to prove you've got a dangerous electrical system, and they're off the hook.

Oh course, if it was your bad wiring in an apartment, guess who pays for everyone else's dammage...

 

[Steven M. Scharf]

Gee! I guess all the splices in my walls for permanent light fixtures put in by the electricial who wired my house, are temporary and dangerous. I think a good splice is done with metal ferules and then isolated with plastic tubing- then the whole thing wrapped with electrical tape. Maybe your definition of "splices" is different than mine.

Connections for light fixtures are done inside a junction box, using wire nuts. I guarantee that no licensed electrician is going to risk his license by putting splices in walls!

Splicing wires inside walls is not done. If conduit is used, splices inside conduit are not done because they are not reliable when pulling wire. If Romex is used then splices are not allowed (except at junction boxes).

Electrical tape is NEVER used. When splicing is necessary, heat shrink tubing is placed over one wire, then the wires are twisted together with a butt splice, the wires are soldered, any sharp edges are filed down, and then the heat shrinkable tubing is slid over the wires and shrunken with a heat gun. This is the proper method when installing radios and alarms in vehicles.

 

[Gerald Fay]

I just re-post Saturn horror stories I receive from others.

Yeh well post this one:
My wife purchased a Subaru Forrester last year. A friend saw the vehicle fell in love with it, and purchases a Forrester the next week. On the way home from the dealer, the engine blew.

Also, post this. My new Honda Civic came from the factory with a dented fender, I didn't realize this till I took it home. The Dealer at first tried to blame me.

Cars are just the shit...
Oh PS, my daughers new Ion is great. I think I made a mistake with the Honda...

 

[Dan Duncan]

This is way off topic but what ever happened to checking ones smoke detector monthly? I must be reading something wrong because I cant believe someone would hardwire a smoke detector to their home wiring. It be real fun if the eletrical box went and the smoke detector had a dead battery. Yeah thats some real insurance of being warned there... If one ever needed ANY MORE proof that this guys a moron... <roles eyes>

Hardwired smoke detectors are pretty standard nowadays.

Mine works fine, so I left it alone but added extra smoke detectors as part of my alarm system. The whole alarm system (and thus the smoke detectors) is AC powered with battery backup and phone dialout which theoretically makes it more reliable than the original hardwired or a battery powered unit because
1) The battery is kept charged by AC
2) There is now one on every floor
3) The alarm siren is loud enough to wake the dead
4) It can alert me and the monitoring company if no one is home

If misterfact were smarter, he could just use a low voltage DC-powered smoke detector that charges a battery (available CHEAP through any alarm supplier) and no one could give him any shit about running whatever wire he likes because it's low voltage DC instead of line voltage AC.

-DanD