Good Detroit Free Press Article about Saturn: "Saturn has sharp cars,low profile"

[SMS]

"http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080511/COL14/805110629/1081"

 

[-Cronus-]

[snip]

Not interested in that. Cite your source on engine pinging as I asked.

 

[marx404]

I wonder if stevie weeevie is as knowledgeable" about his coffee and folding bicycles? shall we have a look into your world now that we know where you are steve? It's time to say goodby to harassing this Saturn NG steve, just like you were driven from the Cingular NG. Say good night and leave peacefully, like a good little lonely loser troll, steven. ...and take your aliases with you.

 

[PerfectReign]

I wonder if stevie weeevie is as knowledgeable" about his coffee and folding bicycles? shall we have a look into your world now that we know where you are steve? It's time to say goodby to harassing this Saturn NG steve, just like you were driven from the Cingular NG. Say good night and leave peacefully, like a good little lonely loser troll, steven. ...and take your aliases with you.

WTF are you referring to?

 

[SMS]

WTF are you referring to?

What he's referring to, is some web sites I have created.

Go to Google, type in "bicycle coffee" and then click "I'm Feeling Lucky." That's one of my sites.

Go to Google, type in "bicycle lighting" and then click "I'm Feeling Lucky." That's one of my sites.

As I always say, if you can't create a web site that's ranked #1 by Google, then don't bother!

I used to have a folding bicycle web site, but I haven't been updating it.

From marx404's diatribe, I think that you can figure out why so many people have filtered out certain posters in this group. A lot of very insecure people, that get very upset when anyone posts anything that they don't like others to see, though I'm astounded that apparently he got upset about such a positive story!

The Detroit Free Press article, is right on target. Saturn is almost a completely different company, with a different target market, than they started out with. One thing that they really have to address in the company's revival is what to do about serving markets where the dealerships closed during the downturn in sales. Buyers don't want to buy a vehicle where their warranty service requires long drives. They could allow other GM dealers to service Saturns, allow non-exclusive Saturn dealerships (like they have in Canada), or grant new franchises to replace the closed dealerships.

 

[SMS]

What he's referring to, is some web sites I have created.

Go to Google, type in "bicycle lighting" and then click "I'm Feeling Lucky." That's one of my sites.

Yup I cant find them just like you cant find answers for my questions.

As I always say, if you can't create a web site that's ranked #1 by Google, then don't bother!

As you always say? When have you ever said this and why are you not following your own advice?

I used to have a folding bicycle web site, but I haven't been updating it.

Yeah when would you find the time to do that when you're soooo busy trolling the newsgroups?

From marx404's diatribe, I think that you can figure out why so many people have filtered out certain posters in this group. A lot of very insecure people, that get very upset when anyone posts anything that

From your ego trips I can see why you wont answer anyone that calls you out on your BS. You're very "insecure" aren't you.

they don't like others to see, though I'm astounded that apparently he got upset about such a positive story!

You are dodging again. Can you be any more obvious?

One cause of pinging can be too low of a combustion chamber temperature.

Again, please explain how. Answer the question or leave. I'm sick of you passing yourself off as some sort of guru to fill your over inflated ego.

Have fun killfiltering your own user name.

 

[SMS]

LOL, not sure who's spoofing my user name to get around my filters, but you have to wonder why they are so desperate that I read their posts.

I only kill-file the most cluless of the clueless, and have only three entries for this newsgroup, , , and .

says...

<snip>

 

[SMS]

LOL, not sure who's spoofing my user name to get around my filters, but you have to wonder why they are so desperate that I read their posts.

You are nothing but a coward that doesn't want his precious ego hurt. You know who I am and you know I have been calling you out on your BS. This group is not going to be your playground anymore Steve.

 

[marx404]

What I'm referring to is SMS aka Stephen Shnarpf is an idiot troll and has no expertise on anything except trolling. When confronted about his trolling he resorts to personal attacks.

 

[SMS]

You are nothing but a coward that doesn't want his precious ego hurt. You know who I am and you know I have been calling you out on your BS. This group is not going to be your playground anymore Steve.

In fact, I have no idea at all who you are, though from your behavior of spoofing someone's e-mail address, I presume that you're someone that I kill-filed, and you're very upset about this.

When you are able to engage in civil debate, without insults, or lies, get back to me, and you can be removed from the kill-file. Until then, I'll let other readers decide who to believe is posting the more accurate information.

 

[SMS]

In fact, I have no idea at all who you are, though from your behavior of

Yes you do. Everyone else can figure out who I am and if you cant then you really are a clueless twit.

spoofing someone's e-mail address, I presume that you're someone that I kill-filed, and you're very upset about this.

No, just making it perfectly clear to you that you are coward that post misleading and false information. You are afraid of people that question you. That has been made very clear.

When you are able to engage in civil debate,

Thats just it, you wont debate when you are called out on your bs. Your ego wont allow it.

without insults,

My you are one thin skinned troll. Especially when you insult others.

or lies,

Is it a lie that you use aliases? Answer that.

get back to me, and you can be removed from the kill-file. Until then,

Frankly I dont give a damn but you will be doing your trolling somewhere else. That you can be sure of.

I'll let other readers decide who to believe is posting the more accurate information.

Here is some of your so called "accurate information" seeing as how you wont address it

One cause of pinging can be too low of a combustion chamber temperature. One cause of pinging can be too low of a combustion chamber temperature. One cause of pinging can be too low of a combustion chamber temperature. One cause of pinging can be too low of a combustion chamber temperature. One cause of pinging can be too low of a combustion chamber temperature. One cause of pinging can be too low of a combustion chamber temperature. One cause of pinging can be too low of a combustion chamber temperature. One cause of pinging can be too low of a combustion chamber temperature. One cause of pinging can be too low of a combustion chamber temperature.

Despite how great and grandios Steven M Scharf thinks he is, he is not in any position to be giving advice on the service or repair of anyones vehicles.

 

[Doug Miller]

Yes you do. Everyone else can figure out who I am and if you cant then you really are a clueless twit.

You certainly made it easy enough to figure out who to put in the killfile along with Steve.

Grow up, jerk.

 

[SMS]

You certainly made it easy enough to figure out who to put in the killfile along with Steve.

Grow up, jerk.

Unfortunately, many Usenet groups have been subject to this type of forging of e-mail addresses. Sometimes it goes on for months, sometimes the forger gets tired of being a jerk and goes away.

I certainly don't mind being kill-filed for a good reason, but I don't think that anything I've posted here would warrant that, and certainly not posting a link to a news article directly related to Saturn. I admire the turnaround that has occurred at Saturn in the past year. It's one of the only bright spots in the U.S. auto industry.

 

[PerfectReign]

What he's referring to, is some web sites I have created.

Go to Google, type in "bicycle coffee" and then click "I'm Feeling Lucky." That's one of my sites.

Go to Google, type in "bicycle lighting" and then click "I'm Feeling Lucky." That's one of my sites.

Uh uh.

Let's see....

Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!newshub.sdsu.edu!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!postmaster.news.prodigy.com!flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com.POSTED!87b35fc8!not-for-mail User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (Windows/20080421)

You use wintendo...

....you use Avast! AV...

....You are on an sbc.com nntp account...

....located on an SBC DHCP client in the US:

kai@xwing:~> whois 99.139.50.107
AT&T Internet Services SBCIS-SBIS-6BLK (NET-99-128-0-0-1)
99.128.0.0 - 99.191.255.255
PPPoX Pool - se1.pltn13-1196740562 SBC-99-139-48-0-22-0712035612 (NET-99-139-48-0-1)
99.139.48.0 - 99.139.51.255

aha, that's always helpful...

As I always say, if you can't create a web site that's ranked #1 by Google, then don't bother!

I used to have a folding bicycle web site, but I haven't been updating it.

From marx404's diatribe, I think that you can figure out why so many people have filtered out certain posters in this group. A lot of very insecure people, that get very upset when anyone posts anything that they don't like others to see, though I'm astounded that apparently he got upset about such a positive story!

So at least one of you is a sock puppet?

The Detroit Free Press article, is right on target. Saturn is almost a completely different company, with a different target market, than they started out with. One thing that they really have to address in the company's revival is what to do about serving markets where the dealerships closed during the downturn in sales. Buyers don't want to buy a vehicle where their warranty service requires long drives. They could allow other GM dealers to service Saturns, allow non-exclusive Saturn dealerships (like they have in Canada), or grant new franchises to replace the closed dealerships.

That is an issue. I have no dealer within 10 miles. I find that annoying.

 

[PerfectReign]

marx404 turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and and said, oh wow, then wrote:

What I'm referring to is SMS aka Stephen Shnarpf is an idiot troll and has no expertise on anything except trolling. When confronted about his trolling he resorts to personal attacks.

Uh huh.

So, IOTW, you're a fanboi of this guy steve.

Okay, simple solution - find a picture of him, get yourself a room, and party like a rockstar.

 

[PerfectReign]

Someone posing as SMS turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

Okay, sock puppet number two - my guess this is one of the fanbois?

Spoofed email?

Now there's a nice reason for an abuse note...

Never heard of woh.rr.com...

kai@xwing:~> whois woh.rr.com

Whois Server Version 2.0

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net for detailed information.

No match for "WOH.RR.COM".

Spoofed?

cute.

User-Agent: MicroPlanet-Gravity/2.70.2067

Ah, another wintendo luzer - well at least you're not using outlook express...

Ohio, eh? Gonna rig the 2008 election?

....tempting....

Yup I cant find them just like you cant find answers for my questions.

Don't know about you, but I found it no problem.

 

[SMS]

...tempting....

I really don't like the idea of "tattling" on people like that. I've seen people do the e-mail address spoofing in other Usenet groups, and they generally get tired of it after a few weeks. The ISP generally does nothing when you complain, and the problem person just gets mad and disrupts the newsgroup for even longer.

Don't know about you, but I found it no problem.

LOL, those sites have been up for years, and no one has a problem finding them.

 

[marx404]

very funny PerfectReign. I just want this pest to go away and stop trolling. Please stop feeding this troll, he thrives on our response. I am guilty as well. Let's just ignore him for awhile and see if that helps. Maybe this NG will get back on track.

 

[marx404]

Spoofed email, never from Steven, haha...oh, let me add "linkearth.com" as another alias.

Heres a golden nugget from the past. An early demented post from Stevie circa 2004. Note, I have never been to or even seen GMForums.com until this week when after pissing me off, I Googled Steven's history and came up with this post.

Note how he (and Mr. No-Fact) copied and pasted my post from here in 2004, recycled and twisted it. But more importantly, note the revered Jonnie Santos's reply down the middle of the page, he had Stevie down pat right then and there.

http://www.gmforum.com/online/showthread.php?t=32980&page=2

btw- good catch on the header info PerfectReign, and no I'm no puppet nor a fan of SMS, I just want him to dissapear and take his crap with him as much as you do. Might as well have some fun while doing it, right? This SMS troll is worse than a squirrel.

 

[-Cronus-]

Spoofed email, never from Steven, haha...oh, let me add "linkearth.com" as another alias.

Heres a golden nugget from the past. An early demented post from Stevie circa 2004. Note, I have never been to or even seen GMForums.com until this week when after pissing me off, I Googled Steven's history and came up with this post.

Note how he (and Mr. No-Fact) copied and pasted my post from here in 2004, recycled and twisted it. But more importantly, note the revered Jonnie Santos's reply down the middle of the page, he had Stevie down pat right then and there.

http://www.gmforum.com/online/showthread.php?t=32980&page=2

I remember that post, and that was posted here, not in the GM forum. GMforum is Similar to CarKB... You can find that thread archived in google as well.

Best Quote Ever:
"...different day same Steven Scharf - Steve, you make me laugh and I needed that today.

If any of the old crowd cared to dig through Google going back to the late 90's I think there would be a difference of opinion. To my knowledge and to this day, you do not own a Saturn, yet you have made it a point to harvest information from this group and regurgitate it as if you are a Saturn guru. You take a line of fact, tweak a piece of it to fit your need or lack of contiguous thought and then frost it with ego. You have done this over and over and over again. You are one rare bird." -Jonnie Santos

Santos was spot on. Steve hasn't changed a bit in a decade. He's still trying to pass himself off as the greatest thing since sliced bread. He makes gross errors and maniacal distortions and he NEVER admits it or apologise for it. I cant recall him ever saying "I guess" or "I think", its always supposed to be taken as fact simply because he types it. Can you say narcissism? Now he's back here playing the role of 'Automotive Technician' like a child playing doctor...