Good Detroit Free Press Article about Saturn: "Saturn has sharp cars,low profile"

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by SMS, May 12, 2008.

  1. SMS

    SMS Guest

  2. SMS

    -Cronus- Guest


    Not interested in that. Cite your source on engine pinging as I asked.
    -Cronus-, May 12, 2008
  3. SMS

    marx404 Guest

    I wonder if stevie weeevie is as knowledgeable" about his coffee and folding
    bicycles? shall we have a look into your world now that we know where you
    are steve? It's time to say goodby to harassing this Saturn NG steve, just
    like you were driven from the Cingular NG. Say good night and leave
    peacefully, like a good little lonely loser troll, steven. ...and take your
    aliases with you.
    marx404, May 12, 2008
  4. SMS

    PerfectReign Guest

    WTF are you referring to?
    PerfectReign, May 12, 2008
  5. SMS

    SMS Guest

    What he's referring to, is some web sites I have created.

    Go to Google, type in "bicycle coffee" and then click "I'm Feeling
    Lucky." That's one of my sites.

    Go to Google, type in "bicycle lighting" and then click "I'm Feeling
    Lucky." That's one of my sites.

    As I always say, if you can't create a web site that's ranked #1 by
    Google, then don't bother!

    I used to have a folding bicycle web site, but I haven't been updating it.

    From marx404's diatribe, I think that you can figure out why so many
    people have filtered out certain posters in this group. A lot of very
    insecure people, that get very upset when anyone posts anything that
    they don't like others to see, though I'm astounded that apparently he
    got upset about such a positive story!

    The Detroit Free Press article, is right on target. Saturn is almost a
    completely different company, with a different target market, than they
    started out with. One thing that they really have to address in the
    company's revival is what to do about serving markets where the
    dealerships closed during the downturn in sales. Buyers don't want to
    buy a vehicle where their warranty service requires long drives. They
    could allow other GM dealers to service Saturns, allow non-exclusive
    Saturn dealerships (like they have in Canada), or grant new franchises
    to replace the closed dealerships.
    SMS, May 12, 2008
  6. SMS

    SMS Guest

    Yup I cant find them just like you cant find answers for my questions.
    As you always say? When have you ever said this and why are you not
    following your own advice?
    Yeah when would you find the time to do that when you're soooo busy
    trolling the newsgroups?
    From your ego trips I can see why you wont answer anyone that calls you
    out on your BS. You're very "insecure" aren't you.
    You are dodging again. Can you be any more obvious?
    Again, please explain how. Answer the question or leave. I'm sick of you
    passing yourself off as some sort of guru to fill your over inflated

    Have fun killfiltering your own user name.
    SMS, May 12, 2008
  7. SMS

    SMS Guest

    LOL, not sure who's spoofing my user name to get around my filters, but
    you have to wonder why they are so desperate that I read their posts.

    I only kill-file the most cluless of the clueless, and have only three
    entries for this newsgroup, , , and
    SMS, May 12, 2008
  8. SMS

    SMS Guest

    You are nothing but a coward that doesn't want his precious ego hurt.
    You know who I am and you know I have been calling you out on your BS.
    This group is not going to be your playground anymore Steve.
    SMS, May 12, 2008
  9. SMS

    marx404 Guest

    What I'm referring to is SMS aka Stephen Shnarpf is an idiot troll and has
    no expertise on anything except trolling. When confronted about his trolling
    he resorts to personal attacks.
    marx404, May 12, 2008
  10. SMS

    SMS Guest

    In fact, I have no idea at all who you are, though from your behavior of
    spoofing someone's e-mail address, I presume that you're someone that I
    kill-filed, and you're very upset about this.

    When you are able to engage in civil debate, without insults, or lies,
    get back to me, and you can be removed from the kill-file. Until then,
    I'll let other readers decide who to believe is posting the more
    accurate information.
    SMS, May 12, 2008
  11. SMS

    SMS Guest

    Yes you do. Everyone else can figure out who I am and if you cant then
    you really are a clueless twit.
    No, just making it perfectly clear to you that you are coward that post
    misleading and false information. You are afraid of people that question
    you. That has been made very clear.
    Thats just it, you wont debate when you are called out on your bs. Your
    ego wont allow it.
    My you are one thin skinned troll. Especially when you insult others.
    Is it a lie that you use aliases? Answer that.
    Frankly I dont give a damn but you will be doing your trolling somewhere
    else. That you can be sure of.
    Here is some of your so called "accurate information" seeing as how you
    wont address it
    Despite how great and grandios Steven M Scharf thinks he is, he is not
    in any position to be giving advice on the service or repair of anyones
    SMS, May 13, 2008
  12. SMS

    Doug Miller Guest

    You certainly made it easy enough to figure out who to put in the
    killfile along with Steve.

    Grow up, jerk.
    Doug Miller, May 13, 2008
  13. SMS

    SMS Guest

    Unfortunately, many Usenet groups have been subject to this type of
    forging of e-mail addresses. Sometimes it goes on for months, sometimes
    the forger gets tired of being a jerk and goes away.

    I certainly don't mind being kill-filed for a good reason, but I don't
    think that anything I've posted here would warrant that, and certainly
    not posting a link to a news article directly related to Saturn. I
    admire the turnaround that has occurred at Saturn in the past year. It's
    one of the only bright spots in the U.S. auto industry.
    SMS, May 13, 2008
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    PerfectReign Guest

    Uh uh.

    Let's see....

    You use wintendo... use Avast! AV...

    ....You are on an nntp account...

    ....located on an SBC DHCP client in the US:

    kai@xwing:~> whois
    AT&T Internet Services SBCIS-SBIS-6BLK (NET-99-128-0-0-1) -
    PPPoX Pool - se1.pltn13-1196740562 SBC-99-139-48-0-22-0712035612
    (NET-99-139-48-0-1) -

    aha, that's always helpful...

    So at least one of you is a sock puppet?

    That is an issue. I have no dealer within 10 miles. I find that annoying.
    PerfectReign, May 13, 2008
  15. SMS

    PerfectReign Guest

    marx404 turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and and said, oh wow, then wrote:

    Uh huh.

    So, IOTW, you're a fanboi of this guy steve.

    Okay, simple solution - find a picture of him, get yourself a room, and
    party like a rockstar.
    PerfectReign, May 13, 2008
  16. SMS

    PerfectReign Guest

    Someone posing as SMS turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:

    Okay, sock puppet number two - my guess this is one of the fanbois?
    Spoofed email?

    Now there's a nice reason for an abuse note...

    Never heard of

    kai@xwing:~> whois

    Whois Server Version 2.0

    Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
    with many different competing registrars. Go to
    for detailed information.

    No match for "WOH.RR.COM".
    Ah, another wintendo luzer - well at least you're not using outlook

    Ohio, eh? Gonna rig the 2008 election?

    Don't know about you, but I found it no problem.
    PerfectReign, May 13, 2008
  17. SMS

    SMS Guest

    I really don't like the idea of "tattling" on people like that. I've
    seen people do the e-mail address spoofing in other Usenet groups, and
    they generally get tired of it after a few weeks. The ISP generally does
    nothing when you complain, and the problem person just gets mad and
    disrupts the newsgroup for even longer.
    LOL, those sites have been up for years, and no one has a problem
    finding them.
    SMS, May 13, 2008
  18. SMS

    marx404 Guest

    very funny PerfectReign. I just want this pest to go away and stop trolling.
    Please stop feeding this troll, he thrives on our response. I am guilty as
    well. Let's just ignore him for awhile and see if that helps. Maybe this NG
    will get back on track.
    marx404, May 13, 2008
  19. SMS

    marx404 Guest

    Spoofed email, never from Steven, haha...oh, let me add "" as
    another alias.

    Heres a golden nugget from the past. An early demented post from Stevie
    circa 2004. Note, I have never been to or even seen until this
    week when after pissing me off, I Googled Steven's history and came up with
    this post.

    Note how he (and Mr. No-Fact) copied and pasted my post from here in 2004,
    recycled and twisted it. But more importantly, note the revered Jonnie
    Santos's reply down the middle of the page, he had Stevie down pat right
    then and there.

    btw- good catch on the header info PerfectReign, and no I'm no puppet nor a
    fan of SMS, I just want him to dissapear and take his crap with him as much
    as you do. Might as well have some fun while doing it, right? This SMS troll
    is worse than a squirrel.
    marx404, May 13, 2008
  20. SMS

    -Cronus- Guest

    I remember that post, and that was posted here, not in the GM forum.
    GMforum is Similar to CarKB... You can find that thread archived in
    google as well.

    Best Quote Ever:
    "...different day same Steven Scharf - Steve, you make me laugh and I
    needed that today.

    If any of the old crowd cared to dig through Google going back to the
    late 90's I think there would be a difference of opinion. To my
    knowledge and to this day, you do not own a Saturn, yet you have made it
    a point to harvest information from this group and regurgitate it as if
    you are a Saturn guru. You take a line of fact, tweak a piece of it to
    fit your need or lack of contiguous thought and then frost it with ego.
    You have done this over and over and over again. You are one rare
    bird." -Jonnie Santos

    Santos was spot on. Steve hasn't changed a bit in a decade. He's still
    trying to pass himself off as the greatest thing since sliced bread. He
    makes gross errors and maniacal distortions and he NEVER admits it or
    apologise for it. I cant recall him ever saying "I guess" or "I think",
    its always supposed to be taken as fact simply because he types it. Can
    you say narcissism? Now he's back here playing the role of 'Automotive
    Technician' like a child playing doctor...
    -Cronus-, May 13, 2008
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