EGR operation 95 SL2

Discussion in 'Saturn S-series' started by eric.ellsworth, Jul 22, 2008.

  1. I have a question for the super-nerdy, need to know how everything
    works type. If this is you, read on, perhaps you can shed some light
    on the situation.
    I swapped the motor on my 95 SL2, that motor had the electrically
    operated EGR. The motor I installed is a 94 twincam with vacuum
    operated EGR. Unfortunately for me, the EGR mounting is different
    between the two model years. The head for the 95 is junk, so a head
    swap is at this time not the preferred option.
    Can someone describe in detail, the EGR process for the electrically
    operated EGR. The vacuum operated EGR I assume is controlled by the
    PCM, as it has an electric solenoid to switch the vacuum to the EGR.
    The check engine light comes on after I drive a short distance, with
    no egr connected. This is more of a nuisence than anything.
    Is it possible to "convert" to a vacuum EGR, and eliminate the check
    engine warning, short of installing a PCM and chassis harness from a
    MY94?
     
    eric.ellsworth, Jul 22, 2008
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  2. eric.ellsworth

    Oppie Guest

    Speaking in general - the vacuum operated EGR is driven from a vacuum
    sensing port in the throttle body. This vacuum signal is usually shut off
    until the engine is at operating temperature. The vacuum signal is also
    combined in a control valve with an exhaust back pressure measurement. The
    objective is to get EGR only when engine is warmed up and then at a rate
    proportional to the intake air mass-flow to the throttle body.
    Ultimately Exhaust gas recirculation reduces available oxygen (totally
    counter-intuitive) in the cylinder. That reduces peak temperature which
    controls pinging and reduces NOx formation.

    The Electric EGRs are sometimes modulated solenoids and others are step
    motors. Some have a feedback device on the pintile position and others are
    completely open loop. Your '95 ECU is looking to control the EGR and is not
    seeing anything. Automatic tests that the onboard computers are getting
    devilishly smart at finding bypassed or defective emission control systems.
    At a most simple level, the ECU tests the EGR drive coil(s) for opens or
    shorts. Then it tries to move the EGR pintile (with engine warm) and detects
    a change in the pintile position feedback (if your motor used that) or looks
    at the O2 sensor for a corresponding change.

    Given all that, probably best to use the EGR that was on the original motor,
    make an adaptor plate and plumbing adaptation. My guess is that swapping the
    ECU from the new motor will give you other compatibility issues. I hope
    someone can prove my assessment wrong.

    Oppie

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    Oppie, Jul 22, 2008
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  3. Thanks Oppie for the detailed explaination.
    One more question, will the lack of EGR keep the engine running in
    open loop? The gas mileage isn't as good as I had expected
     
    eric.ellsworth, Jul 24, 2008
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  4. eric.ellsworth

    Oppie Guest

    More than likely, the engine will run somehow in open loop - either rich
    fuel mixture or retarded ignition timing. Both of these are customary ways
    of dealing with malfunctioning EGR. Without any EGR, the engine will have a
    tendency to ping (without any correction like enriching mixture or
    retarding). The EGR is also considered a calibrated leak and contributes to
    the air/fuel mixture. Without it functioning, I would expect less than
    optimal fuel economy.
    Hope that helps

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    Oppie, Jul 24, 2008
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