Drum Pulls Off Easily

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by IrwinDesign, Nov 29, 2007.

  1. IrwinDesign

    IrwinDesign Guest

    My grandparents recently bought me a 1997 SL1 with my money without
    consulting me first. I am having a couple issues that I'm not sure
    where to start.

    1. Last week, I blew a tire. While changing the tire I found that the
    brake drum easily slides off without making any adjustments. I know
    that it means it's so far out of adjustment that I cannot solve the
    problem by applying the brakes while going in reverse, but don't know
    how to adjust them otherwise.

    2. I changed the oil maybe a week after they bought it. It was very
    very black. Since then, I have had to add nearly a gallon of oil. What
    has me stumped is that I don't see any oil spots where I park, there
    is no oil being sprayed out under the hood, no sign of it in the
    coolant and it doesn't seem to be burning it either. Any ideas?
    IrwinDesign, Nov 29, 2007
  2. IrwinDesign

    Keith Guest

    Well as for item #2, if you don't see it on the ground then it's going
    out the tailpipe, which is not good news. Item #1 sounds like you need
    a brake job done on the rears.
    Keith, Nov 29, 2007
  3. IrwinDesign

    Steve Guest


    Not necessarily. It could be going into the coolant.
    Steve, Nov 29, 2007
  4. IrwinDesign

    Oppie Guest

    Buy the shop manual either from www.helminc.com or get a Haynes manual.
    Chiltons manuals are, these days, the manual of last preference.

    If you have any mechanical ability and the interest in doing so, a brake job
    is fairly easy with a decent set of tools. Bummer about the oil consumption.
    Check the PCV valve. A clogged valve will cause the oil to get dirty fast.
    What type of oil did you use? Perhaps it is time to use one of the oils made
    specially for high mileage engines. Try at least a 10W30 if not 20W40(?).
    How hot does the engine get when running? Oil gets dark from blow-by gasses,
    from heat and high loads.

    Saturn advertizes a de-gunking proceedure that is supposed to remove
    build-up on the piston rings -especially the oil control ring. I have no
    experience with this - perhaps others will comment.
    Oppie, Nov 29, 2007
  5. IrwinDesign

    Keith Guest

    Quite true, but if you'd read the original post he stated that he
    checked the coolant...
    Keith, Nov 30, 2007
  6. IrwinDesign

    Private Guest

    IMHE the Chilton's manuals are superior to the Haynes and are definitely
    thicker (almost double), but YMMV.
    Private, Nov 30, 2007
  7. IrwinDesign

    Oppie Guest

    To each their own. I started learning how to work on things on old (1970's)
    chilton manuals and got a lot out of them. More recent Chilton's didn't seem
    to be as thorough. Haynes usually includes a wiring diagram which in today's
    cars is pretty much a must. In any event, neither was available at the time
    I bought my lw300 used and I spang for the factory manual. No complaints
    other than a lousy index. Was meant to be viewed online and didn't make a
    graceful transition to print.
    Oppie, Nov 30, 2007
  8. IrwinDesign

    hubops Guest

    Does Saturn sell the "factory manual" ... or do you have
    connections in the trade ?
    I asked about buying the shop manual for my 2002 SL1
    ... the Saturn dealer said " NOPE we don't sell them. "
    hubops, Dec 1, 2007
  9. IrwinDesign

    Lane Guest

    Even though you don't see any smoke, it is most likely burning the oil.
    Easiest thing you can do first is change your PCV valve.

    Search saturnfans.com forums for 'oil consumption' and you'll come across a
    thread where others have reported some measure of success in reducing the
    consumption. I believe it has something to do with a treatment with Marvel
    Mystery Oil.

    Many people draw the conclusion that oil consumption leads to premature
    death of the motor, but with these cars, that is not the case. Keep the
    level where it should be on the dipstick by checking it often, and listen
    for telltale signs of timing chain wear, and it should still live a long

    Lane [ lane (at) evilplastic.com ]
    Lane, Dec 2, 2007
  10. IrwinDesign

    Oppie Guest

    I got mine through the saturn parts counter. Found out later that could have
    gotten it also through www.helminc.com Same price - give or take shipping.
    Oppie, Dec 3, 2007
  11. Wow, this is almost exactly what I wrote in 2002 after buying my 1995
    SW1. One response that I remember was 'Oil and alternators are
    consumables when you own a Saturn'.

    I just kept an eye on the level and all was ok for 5 years until the car
    was removed from service.

    David Teichholtz, Dec 7, 2007
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