Disable EGR valve

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Detector195, Aug 26, 2003.

  1. Detector195

    Detector195 Guest

    I have a '95 SW2 twin cam (is this redundant?) and it is showing
    symptoms of the sticking EGR valve problem for the second time in a
    year. The first time, I cleaned out the EGR as well as I could manage.
    This time around I am wondering if I could simply disable the EGR
    function by replacing the gasket with a piece of gasket material with
    no holes in it, so the EGR is simply blocked.

    For the record, this is the electrical EGR valve. I think Saturn
    changed from vacuum to electric for this valve sometime around the '95
    model year.

    What impact will this have on performance? Mileage? Safety? My
    understanding of the EGR is that it simply lets the engine run a bit
    cooler under certain conditions, to reduce NOx emissions. Honestly, I
    don't drive the car under those conditions (high speed) very often,
    but I don't want my car to stall out on me any more either.
     
    Detector195, Aug 26, 2003
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  2. The Check Engine light will be on due to no EGR flow being detected
    (depending on the specific engine, it detects this either by looking for the
    increase in MAP when the valve opens, or the mixture change from the O2
    sensor).

    The EGR doesn't make the engine itself run cooler, it dilutes the air-fuel
    mixture with inert exhaust gas during part-throttle operation. This reduces
    the peak combustion temperature, which in turn reduces NOx formation.

    As well, the engine may be hitting the knock sensor more often, since EGR
    operation tends to inhibit spark knock, and the spark advance is set
    assuming there will be EGR flow.

    That, and the fact that what you propose would violate federal and most
    state laws in the US.. ;-)
     
    Robert Hancock, Aug 27, 2003
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  3. Detector195

    Detector195 Guest

    Just an update -- I confirmed code 32, which is the generic EGR
    failure code. Being familiar with the routine, I pulled the EGR, which
    is quite accessible, and indeed it sticks open if I push it open.
    Following the routine, I got it freed up and cleaned out as well as I
    could with carb cleaner. This time I got a better look inside with a
    flashlight, and saw actual chunks of carbon. The entire inside of the
    air system of this car is coated with this stuff. I am leaning towards
    not disturbing any of this, since it seems happy where it is.
     
    Detector195, Aug 27, 2003
    #3
  4. Hi,
    I have had similar issues with my '91 s10 blazer. Go to a chevy
    dealer (a saturn dealer might have it as well)and pick yourself up a
    can of GM top engine cleaner. Follow the directions on the can your
    problem should go away. And it will clean all that carbon out. My '91
    s10 it has a throtle body so it was easy enough just to pour the stuff
    in there. my '93 s10 blazer and '02 saturn sl1 have multi port so I
    poured it through the power brake booster hose.
    They do not tell you this step in the directions but after you let it
    sit for 15 minutes then pour the rest in while it is running take it
    on the hi-way and run at 70-75 mph. You will see all the carbon come
    out of the tail pipe in the form of nasty and I mean nasty smoke. Do
    not worry it will go away after your run on the hi-way.

    Paul
     
    Paul Dougherty, Aug 28, 2003
    #4
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