95 SL2 most stolen vehicle in 2003

Discussion in 'Saturn S-series' started by marx404, May 25, 2004.

  1. marx404

    marx404 Guest

  2. ....heard it in this morning's news. Strange...
     
    Jonnie Santos, May 25, 2004
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    sg Guest

    I wonder why? Is it real easy to jack or something?
    I didn't think the parts on a saturn are worth as much as something like a honda.
     
    sg, May 25, 2004
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  4. CCCIS's website is quite hosed - besides being really slow, links to
    their stories don't work right.

    I'm not buying it - it is likely that the news report you heard was
    simply parroted. I'm looking through IIHS/HLDI's website and don't see
    anything that would indicate that any Saturns suddenly jumped to the top
    of the list of most stolen vehicles.

    It simply doesn't make sense that one (already existing, not new) model
    would suddenly jump ahead of more than 25 other vehicles to the top of
    the list and then just as suddenly fall back again, given that there
    wasn't anything terribly special about the 1995 SL2s.

    2002 Data from NCIB:

    Top Vehicle Thefts by Year, Make, and Model

    1. 1989 Toyota Camry
    2. 1994 Honda Accord
    3. 2000 Honda Civic
    4. 1992 Chevrolet Full Size C/K Pickup
    5. 1997 Ford Full Size Pickup (150/250/350)
    6. 1993 Jeep Cherokee/Grand Cherokee
    7. 1986 Oldsmobile Cutlass/Supreme/Ciera
    8. 1994 Dodge Caravan/Grand Caravan
    9. 1996 Ford Taurus
    10. 2001 Toyota Corolla

    http://www.nicb.org/public/newsroom/whereismycar/top25yearmakemodel.cfm

    What pieces of the NCIC website that I can find are completely useless.
    It is possible that for the model year 1995, saturns were stolen
    most often in 2003. It is established that 1995 model year vehicles
    were stolen most often:

    http://www.nicb.org/public/newsroom/whereismycar/popularyears.cfm

    This, however, is not the same as "In 2003, 1995 Saturn SL2s were stolen
    most often." Correct me if I'm wrong, but here's how my logic plays out:

    In 2003, there are 200 cars stolen of three model years:
    - 1995 100 cars: 10 SL2s, 9 camrys, 9 civics, 5 neons, etc
    - 1996 90 cars: 15 camrys, 10 neons(?!), 10 civics, 5 SL2s, etc
    - 1997 10 cars: 2 pintos, 3 datsuns, and 5 mustangs

    The most vehicles stolen were of the 1995 model year. The most stolen
    vehicle of the model year 1995 is the SL2. However, the real conclusion
    is that the vehicle most often stolen in 2003 is a 1996 camry.

    More likely than not, someone is reading the data wrong and drew
    erroneous conclusions when they wrote the press release.

    -rj
    98SL2
     
    richard hornsby, May 25, 2004
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    Louis Hom Guest

    I haven't had a chance to look at all the web pages yet, but it's possible
    that the place in the news article scores according to what fraction of
    the '95 SL2s out there got stolen, while the other site only looks at the
    absolute number of '95 SL2s stolen. There may be a smaller fraction of,
    e.g., Hondas stolen, but because there are so many, the absolute number
    may be much greater than Saturns.
     
    Louis Hom, May 25, 2004
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    Dan Duncan Guest

    They changed the way they calculate the numbers to a more
    useful method. They used to base it on the total number
    of a particular make/model/year stolen, but now they correct
    for the number of each type stolen vs. the number of that
    type registered which gives you a much better idea of how
    likely a certain model is to be stolen.

    You can see the article here as well:
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/MOST_STOLEN_VEHICLES?SITE=CACRU&SECTION=HOME
    Not surprising. There are TONS of them out there. The fact it's
    the highest ocurring theft doesn't tell us anything about it
    being targeted for theft. Dividing the number stolen by the
    number out there and comparing to other cars will tell us to be
    extra careful with a particular model.

    -DanD
     
    Dan Duncan, May 25, 2004
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    Ron Herfurth Guest

    The 95 was the last year of the old body style but the first year they had a
    passenger air bag (and didn't have the @$%# electric shoulder belts). Also
    the first year they had built in can holders and came in green. I always
    wished I'd waited for a green 95 instead of getting a blue 94 but I never
    imagined anyone else felt as strongly (LOL).
    ron herfurth
    94 SL-1 currently 99,9950 miles - by the time you read this I should be in
    the club
     
    Ron Herfurth, May 25, 2004
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    Blue87T Guest

    Jonnie Santos
    Actually we ( an insurance company ) he seen a spike in Saturn thefts in the
    last year or so. You can do the same file the key down trick like can be done
    on Hondas/Toyotas
     
    Blue87T, May 27, 2004
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    D V Brownell Guest

    I know before mine got stolen the locks were so worn that almost anything
    that would fit into them would turn them. I found a stolen 96 SL1 next to
    where mine was stolen. The guy that found mine had his 95 SL2 stolen. Unless
    this guy was caught I'd say he's still recycling Saturns. I got a club he'll
    probally pass on mine if he comes back.
     
    D V Brownell, May 27, 2004
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  10. My guess? Last year before OBDII, where a lot of engine stuff changed
     
    Philip Nasadowski, May 27, 2004
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