2003 Vue CVT transmission noise

Discussion in 'Saturn VUE' started by kemosabe, Jan 28, 2004.

  1. kemosabe

    kemosabe Guest

    Has anyone experienced a growling sound from the CVT transmission, usually when warm and decelerating at about 8 to 12 MPH?
    I had this problem with the first transmission in the Vue, Now it's returning in the replacement transmission the dealer installed. The dealer's only remedy is to add a can of transmission additive and tell me to drive the car about 6,000 miles! Let me know if there is a fix, or if this is an isolated problem.
     
    kemosabe, Jan 28, 2004
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  2. kemosabe

    Vidar Guest

    I'm getting a similar issue with my 2003 VUE. Just started happening. I
    was assuming it was a bearing going in the front end. We took it in to have
    it looked at (under warranty of course) and were told that they can't look
    at it for like 2 weeks.

    Here's hoping it ISN'T a bearing as I'm going down the highway at 100 KM/h

    when warm and decelerating at about 8 to 12 MPH?
    returning in the replacement transmission the dealer installed. The
    dealer's only remedy is to add a can of transmission additive and tell me to
    drive the car about 6,000 miles! Let me know if there is a fix, or if this
    is an isolated problem.
     
    Vidar, Jan 29, 2004
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  3. There is a TSB for this exact problem, "Low Speed Coast Grinding Noise
    and/or Hesitation at Vehicle Launch (Install New TCM Calibration)", bulletin
    number #03-07-30-051. The correction is to add a unit of DEX-CVT additive
    (as it sounds like they did) and install new transmission calibration
    software (which they may or may not have done). If that doesn't correct the
    problem, they're supposed to perform a line pressure check to see if another
    problem exists.

    BTW, the reason they give for the noise is "The variable drive belt is
    commanded to a ratio that causes a unique load on the drive belt, which
    generates belt noise during a coast down."




    when warm and decelerating at about 8 to 12 MPH?
    returning in the replacement transmission the dealer installed. The
    dealer's only remedy is to add a can of transmission additive and tell me to
    drive the car about 6,000 miles! Let me know if there is a fix, or if this
    is an isolated problem.
     
    Robert Hancock, Jan 30, 2004
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  4. kemosabe

    C. E. White Guest

    What is the date of the TSB? Is there a production date that the TSB
    applies to? Would you expect a dealer to have applied the TSB to new
    Vue sold after the TSB was released? Any idea if this is a problem
    from day one, or does it show up over time?

    Ed
     
    C. E. White, Jan 30, 2004
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  5. kemosabe

    kemosabe Guest

    Thanks for the info on the TSB. Both CVT's in my Vue started out fine, the noise developed with time and mileage.
     
    kemosabe, Jan 30, 2004
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  6. The date on the bulletin is October 2003, just says that it applies to
    2003-2004 ION and VUE with VTi transmission.

    I don't imagine they would have applied that fix to new vehicles, unless
    they were made after the new transmission calibration came out (which would
    have been sometime in the 2004 model year)..
     
    Robert Hancock, Jan 31, 2004
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  7. kemosabe

    arneadler Guest

    My CVT was supposedly replaced and then the new one had the chain and cones replaced. The noise is an irritation, and seems to be coming back again. I think the additive they use has a lifespam of 3000 miles. What is strange, is that in neutral after warmup, I can get the same noise to occur. Saturn extended my warranty to 5yr-60,000 mile. However I think the durability issue or resale will be compromised. Has anyone spoken to 2004 cvt drivers as to their experience? We're very happy with the vehicle and I bought a 2003 manual trans Vue also.
     
    arneadler, Feb 13, 2004
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  8. If it occurs in neutral, it's not a mechanical noise like that. In park or
    neutral, the transmission fluctuates the hydraulic pressure in order to
    clean the solenoids. There was recently a bulletin released with some new
    transmission software for the VTi that reduces the line pressure used in
    this process to reduce the hydraulic noise created, which it describes as a
    hiss or chirp noise.




    cones replaced. The noise is an irritation, and seems to be coming back
    again. I think the additive they use has a lifespam of 3000 miles. What is
    strange, is that in neutral after warmup, I can get the same noise to occur.
    Saturn extended my warranty to 5yr-60,000 mile. However I think the
    durability issue or resale will be compromised. Has anyone spoken to 2004
    cvt drivers as to their experience? We're very happy with the vehicle and I
    bought a 2003 manual trans Vue also.
     
    Robert Hancock, Feb 14, 2004
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  9. kemosabe

    Eeyore Guest

    Well folks... it looks like I found this post too late.

    It seems that if you DON'T get this fixed, the transmission can have a catastrophic failure (ie, quit working). Apparently the "belt" in the transmission will fail.

    Another symptom to watch out for is that the transmission will hesitate or maybe "feel like the tires are slipping on wet pavement" but as the problem progresses it gets to the point where it will not pull at all.

    My Vue is in the shop right now and they are "trying to decide" if the new transmission is going to be covered under my extended waranty (the Vue has about 40K miles on it).

    BTW, our Vue was making this noise FROM THE TIME WE PICKED IT UP AT THE DEALERSHIP!!! They told us at the time that it was "normal".....
     
    Eeyore, Feb 18, 2004
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  10. ....more nails being driven into the CVT's coffin - wish it would have
    worked as I've liked the concept since I heard about in on a Subaru Justy a
    bazillion years ago. Honda has it (or had it) on one of their models, never
    hear anything about it and don't know one person who has one...

    catastrophic failure (ie, quit working). Apparently the "belt" in the
    transmission will fail.
    maybe "feel like the tires are slipping on wet pavement" but as the problem
    progresses it gets to the point where it will not pull at all.
    transmission is going to be covered under my extended waranty (the Vue has
    about 40K miles on it).
    DEALERSHIP!!! They told us at the time that it was "normal".....
     
    Jonnie Santos, Feb 19, 2004
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  11. kemosabe

    Kirk Kohnen Guest

    I'm not quite sure.

    I have an ION 3 Quad Coupe with CVT. About 16k miles, works fine.

    I do want to get that hesitation from a stop thing fixed - it's acting like
    the gear ratio is so high it lugs the engine. But, I've never noticed
    evidence of a slipping.

    I'm wondering if the weight / power match for the CVT and the ION is a good
    one, and the CVT / VUE is not.
     
    Kirk Kohnen, Feb 19, 2004
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  12. Same reason, in past years, that a standard trans was used instead of a
    autobox... I was just really hoping GM had it bug-free before going into
    production. What do I know, I don't build cars?!?!
     
    Jonnie Santos, Feb 19, 2004
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  13. kemosabe

    Eeyore Guest

    Eeyore, Feb 19, 2004
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  14. kemosabe

    satyr Guest

    Honda uses it on the Civic and Insight and it works very well. Nissan
    uses it in some of their near-luxury models in Japan and I think it's
    in the US now. Don't know about reliability on those but I haven't
    heard anything bad. It is a different design from the belted models.
     
    satyr, Feb 20, 2004
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    Chasberry Guest

    Chasberry, Mar 4, 2004
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  16. Hadn't seen the link - thanks...
     
    Jonnie Santos, Mar 4, 2004
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