2003 Saturn Vue question

Discussion in 'Saturn VUE' started by Vidar, Nov 26, 2003.

  1. Vidar

    Vidar Guest

    I bought a Saturn Vue last year (almost exactly 1 year ago). Eyes were
    bigger than my budget I think. Thought since I had a long drive to work, it
    would be nice in the winters here.

    Well, payments are quite large for my budget.

    Question is, how hard is it with GMAC to have someone take over payments
    (not leased) and then get financing for a less expensive vehicle (ION or

    Vidar, Nov 26, 2003
  2. Vidar

    Roadie Roger Guest

    On behalf of the American Car Manufacturers I would like to thank you
    for being a superior consumer!

    Thought since I had a long drive to work, it
    Well, there is no polite way to say this: We're going to have to
    amputate both your legs. OK, it's not that bad, but you basically
    want to stay in the frying pan and NOT jump into the fire. Things
    could get much worse.

    I'm guessing you want someone to "take over the payments" because you
    realize the car won't sell for enough to pay it off. The
    straightforward way to sell a car is to sell it. The purchaser
    borrows money, gives it to you, you pay off your loan, title changes
    hands. If you don't pay off the loan, you are still responsible for
    the loan, whether you have the car or not. I don't think title can
    change either. The new buyer wouldn't own the car. A real mess. Do
    not just make a written agreement with someone to make the payments
    for you (even though that is exactly what you want).

    Rather than just make up numbers I went to the Edmunds True Cost to
    Own page for your car:

    2003 Saturn Vue 2.2 manual
    first year depreciation: $7,081
    first year taxes and fees: $2,045

    You are in the frying pan. Also known as math teacher's revenge!

    You take a huge hit the first year on a car. You are going to get hit
    again when you buy another new car.

    I would grit my teeth and just keep the VUE. If that is not possible,
    realize you are going to lose thousands of dollars to trade down and
    get the lower payment you want. Upside down is where you owe more
    than the vehicle is worth. If you allow the dealer to wrap your debt
    into the next vehicle you will be way upside down. The payments won't
    be that much less and you will be driving a lot less vehicle. You
    will be bargaining from a position of great weakness (trade in value
    and fees) if you can't easily walk away from the deal. Don't expect a
    great deal.

    You can always try to get someone to "take over the payments". It
    could happen. If they have a much better credit rating than you, this
    is a plus to the lender. Just make sure they pay off your loan as
    part of the deal.

    I've been eyeing the new 2004 Saturn Vue with the 3.5L. Seems pretty

    Roadie Roger
    Heck: Buying depreciating assets with borrowed money
    Heaven: Buying assets that appreciate more than the cost of the loan
    Roadie Roger, Nov 27, 2003
  3. I did something similar years ago and ended up talking to my credit union.
    The credit union bought out the old loan, gave me a longer term and I think
    the same interest - the bottom line is that I got the cheaper payment
    (restoring my cash flow) and I kept the truck. Kinda a win/win for me.
    Jonnie Santos, Nov 27, 2003
  4. Vidar

    Roadie Roger Guest

    This makes perfect sense to me. It has nothing to do with having
    someone take over the payments or trading down. A longer term loan
    simply has lower payments. You pay more in the end.

    Car dealers love payment buyers, they seem to have no idea what
    anything costs. Just the payment. You'll notice there was no mention
    of loan balance, interest rate or payment term. If he already has a 5
    year loan, they may not be so happy about adding a few more years. No
    real way to correctly analyse his deal. Would you have known if your
    credit union just tacked on another $20 or $30 just because they
    could? I wish him well, but refusing to "do the math" can be very

    Roadie Roger
    Roadie Roger, Nov 28, 2003
  5. Vidar

    Bryan Guest

    Kudos for a great explanation! Too often we are fooled into looking at the
    payments and not the cost of vehicle. This can cause us to get into a
    straight-jacket with the financing. We get "upside down" and, God forbid
    should something happen to our economic situation or the vehicle itself,
    we're stuck between a rock and a hard place. One of the best pieces of
    guidance (IMHO) for buying a vehicle is "how long before I'm not upside
    down?" Even if you plan on buying a vehicle and driving it until the wheels
    fall off, it could be stolen or totalled in an accident (both of these
    happened to me) and you are stuck making payments on vehicles you don't
    have. It happened on the stolen one but not the totalled one. I was nine
    months into a 5 year loan on the stolen one and still owed $3 grand after
    the insurance paid, which GM let me pay in a no-interest loan. On the
    totalled one, I was 2 years and 9 months into a 5 year loan and owed $13
    after insurance so Chrysler wrote it off.

    You might look at having someone assume the loan, but only if that is your
    only possible option. If GMAC works the way it us to, the upside is that
    the other party is now liable for the loan. The downside is that you are
    still liable also. (Why should GMAC let you off the hook when it can now
    have two parties to guarantee payment?) Also, the loan liability will still
    show up on your credit report but auto loans are relatively easy to get so
    if that is the only downside on your credit, I would guess you would be

    JMO, Bryan
    Bryan, Nov 28, 2003
  6. My Mom takes it one step further - she commented (to me after I bought my
    first new car) that she bought a new car once, and after she realized what
    she paid in interest never financed another. So typically she would buy
    something 4 years old that fit her budget and paid cash. Anytime I mention
    buying another new car I get the story again...

    ....and I've read there's a glut of used cars right now, not that I'm
    shopping for one.
    Jonnie Santos, Nov 29, 2003
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