1996 SL ENGINE RACING PROBLEM

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Buzz, Dec 22, 2009.

  1. Buzz

    Buzz Guest

    My '96 SL single cam has 185K on the clock, and has been running fine.
    A few weeks ago I changed the oil and hosed off the motor with a
    garden hose. Then the "Service Engine" light came on, but it was
    running fine. A few days later it went off, and my buddy at work
    hooked up his code readed and said it had a EGR related code in the
    memory.
    I drove it a couple of weeks, and light stayed off. It wouldn't start
    the other day, and wiggling the battery terminals got it to start, so
    I drove it home and cleaned the terminals, which really didn't look
    bad at all, but I polished them bright with a wire wheel.

    The next time I drove it after the terminal cleaning, the engine had a
    high idle, and would race up to 3000 RPM when I would clutch it
    between gears. the idle would eventully settle down to 750 RPM.
    Drove it to work today, and it still would race up between gears,
    almost like I wasn't letting off the gas pedal when shifting. When I
    would put it in neutral coasting up to a stop, the engine would be at
    2000 RPM, then slowly drop to a 750 RPM idle. No check engine light
    is coming on at this time.

    What could be causing this?
     
    Buzz, Dec 22, 2009
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  2. Buzz

    Doug Miller Guest

    Why the hell did you do that???
    Do you think you might have sprayed water on some electronics that weren't
    supposed to get water sprayed on them?
    Hosing off the motor with a garden hose.
     
    Doug Miller, Dec 22, 2009
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  3. Buzz

    Oppie Guest

    Let's go with the EGR valve possibly sticking open. Any gross vacuum leak,
    including excess EGR flow, will cause the RPMs to kick up.

    The fact that you had a loose battery cable probably lost some of the
    adaptive settings in the ECU. This is re-learned as you drive (the 'drive
    cycle') and may correct any problems after 50-100 miles.
    EGR related codes (most codes for that matter) are not set in memory until
    the engine is at normal operating temperature...coolant level, thermostat
    and coolant temperature sensor (CTS) are responsible for this. For that
    matter, an open CTS circuit often causes high idle and rich fuel mix. Check
    that the CTS cable is not pinched or loose at the sensor. I've seen worn
    motor mounts that allow the engine to twist and put tension on loose
    harnesses.
     
    Oppie, Dec 22, 2009
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  4. Buzz

    Buzz Guest

    I have always changed my own oil on this SL since it was new.
    When you pull the oil filter, oil runs all down the back of the block,
    rubber suspension/ steering boots, and the frame. I always pour a
    bucket of soapy water on that area, and hose it off with a garden
    hose. It's not high pressure, so I'm not really getting it any
    "wetter" than driving in a rain storm, I figger.
     
    Buzz, Dec 23, 2009
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  5. Buzz

    Buzz Guest

    Thanks, this is most helpful! The car actually passed emissions
    testing today, and I'll probably plan on replacing the EGR valve soon.
     
    Buzz, Dec 23, 2009
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  6. Buzz

    Oppie Guest

    I always said that before they make a guy (person) a design engineer, they
    should have 'em work as a tech for at least 6 months. Much to be said for
    the European apprenticeship programs.

    Never understood why most oil filters are horizontal and have the problem
    you detailed...

    Couple of suggestions
    1. punch a hole in the old filter and let the oil drain out of the hole
    before you remove the filter. Hole should be at the lowest point of the
    filter. Do not punch deeper than about 1/4" to avoid going through the
    filter element.

    2. get a filter re-location kit. Space is pretty tight these days in engine
    compartments but it may work. These are available from speed shops and jc
    whitney (last I knew). Allows you to mount the filter vertically.
     
    Oppie, Dec 23, 2009
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  7. Yeah, I had that happen. When I stopped at a traffic light, the rpms
    would be 2k to 3k before dropping down to idle speed after 30 to 40
    seconds. The accelerator pedal and cable were fine. The 'service
    engine soon' light did not come on. I thought the throttle body might
    be gummed and sticking so I removed it but it was actually fairly clean.
    I cleaned it up anyway and reinstalled it but the problem didn't
    change. But...the throttle body had a little solenoid valve and piston
    attached to it that opened and closed a little bypass hole around the
    throttle body butterfly valve. Turns out that is the 'idle air control
    valve' (IAC) that opens to allow the flow of air through a little hole
    about 1/4" in diameter that provides the air to the engine for idling
    when the throttle butterfly is closed. I didn't think it could be bad
    because there was no fault code or SES light but I decided to change it
    as there wasn't much else that could be causing the problem. Et voila!
    The problem was solved. I got the new one for $50 at car quest. It
    only took about 15 minutes to change on my '92 SL2 (221K on the clock now).
     
    David T. Johnson, Dec 23, 2009
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