07 ION 3?

Discussion in 'Saturn ION' started by BE, Sep 23, 2007.

  1. BE

    BE Guest

    Hi all, I just leased an 07 ION 3 (wife has an 06) and was wondering at what
    mileage the 1st oil/filter change should be? I plan on using Mobile 1 like
    the wife's.

    BE, Sep 23, 2007
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    marx404 Guest

    1st oil change do at 3K just to be on the safe side. Afterwards, consider 5K
    intervals even if using Mobil1.
    Thats what I am doing on my '07 ION.3 too.
    marx404, Sep 23, 2007
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    BE Guest

    OK thanks. You using OnStar?
    BE, Sep 23, 2007
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    BläBlä Guest

    The proper method for break in would be...

    Note: Keep the rpm's low for the first 500.

    Start with Conventional Oil. (Factory fill varies.)

    At 500 - Change Oil & Filter
    At 3000 - Change Oil & Filter
    At 6000 - Change Oil & Filter (You may switch to Synthetic now.)
    At 9000 - Change Oil & Filter (Synthetic for certain.)

    Now use 4000 mile max intervals for the sake of the filter, not the oil.
    BläBlä, Sep 23, 2007
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    Bassplayer12 Guest

    I have an 07 ION 2 and asked the same question to the service mgr at my
    local Saturn dealer, this past week.
    They said that the 1st oil change should be done when "oil change" light
    comes on. Even if it is around 12-14,000 kms.
    I had 10,6XX kms and asked if it was ok to do an oil change right away and
    put Mobil 1. Answer was yes and I did it.
    Long gone are the days when the 1st oil change was be done after only a few
    hundred miles. Materials used to build engines are so superior nowadays that
    it is not necessary anymore. So they say.
    Bassplayer12, Sep 23, 2007
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    BE Guest

    The manual states there is synthetic in there from the factory.
    BE, Sep 23, 2007
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    Gyzmologist Guest

    I agree. If you switch to synthetic oil too soon it will take longer to
    break-in your engine. I have been using Mobile-1 5W30 in my Dodge
    Stratus since 36000 miles (due to warranty) and change the oil and
    filter every 10,000. It now has over 138,000 miles, still runs great and
    gets me over 31 MPG on the highway (being a former certified mechanic I
    believe in taking good car of my cars). I blew an engine on Amzoil years
    ago and wouldn't recommend that garbage to an enemy.



    07 Saturn Sky 2.4L I4 AT
    98 Dodge Status ES 2.5L V6 AutoStick
    94 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS Turbo 2.0L I4 FWD MT
    Gyzmologist, Sep 23, 2007
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    Bassplayer12 Guest

    I agree. If you switch to synthetic oil too soon it will take longer to
    Sorry sir, synthetic oil doesn't cause an engine to blow. There was an
    unknown problem there already
    that eventually surfaced because the oil cleaned the engine.
    Many people have believed what you believe but we know netter today because
    of research and because we understand synthetic oil better.
    Bassplayer12, Sep 23, 2007
  9. BE

    Bassplayer12 Guest

    Do you mean the ION 3 or all IONs?
    I only have browsed through the book a couple of times but I didn't know
    this bit of info.
    Bassplayer12, Sep 23, 2007
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    BE Guest

    Both my wifes 06 Ion3 and my 07 Ion3 manual states that syn is in from the
    BE, Sep 23, 2007
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    marx404 Guest

    I am using OnStar, matter of fact for the $80. a month I pay just to have a
    cell in the car, I am going back to pre-paid when my Cingular
    extor..er...contract ends and with the savings I can keep OnStar in the car
    hopefully if they don't raise their rates again before then. Man, OnStar is
    nice but they are getting too out of price range for most ppl to keep it
    beyond the free 1yr.

    BTW - 5K is an estimated guess on most mechanics as to when the OIL Life
    light will come on at least, so I figure that using the same guidelines as
    my old 1.9L and every other car I have driven, even though using synth oil,
    change the oil at or near when the mfg. suggested intervals are and you will
    have a life-strong engine.
    marx404, Sep 24, 2007
  12. BE

    marx404 Guest

    Really? I couldn't find it in my '07 ION.3 manual either. Could you please
    tell me what page states that there is synthetic oil from the factory in
    IONs ? TIA
    marx404, Sep 24, 2007
  13. BE

    marx404 Guest

    OK, here it is, on page 287 of the '07 ION Owners Manual,

    "Your vehicle's engine is filled at the factory with a synthetic oil which
    meets all requirements for your vehicle."

    Interesting as only the 2.4L and 2.0 require synth oil afterwards. However,
    most manufacturers DO place synth from the factory for the break in period
    at the factory, ex: Nissan.

    Thanks for that bit o info BE, good catch, I gotta RTFM some more :)
    marx404, Sep 24, 2007
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    marx404 Guest

    OK, <wiping egg from face>

    Again, I (we) need to RTFM more carefully!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Ahem, BE, and

    Page 287 says that the engine has synth from the factory, er.... duh.... pg
    286 says specifically "For Vehicles with the 2.0L L4 Supercharged Engine
    marx404, Sep 24, 2007
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    BE Guest

    Got it...
    BE, Sep 24, 2007
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    Gyzmologist Guest

    I agree with you Bassplayer12. The engine had 36,000 miles on it since a
    rebuild before I switched to Amzoil. Three months later #5 main bearing
    failed and took the #4 rod bearing with it. It survived 36,000 miles
    with its flaw on conventional oil. I feel it would have continued to run
    if I would have used Mobil1 instead of Amzoil.


    07 Saturn Sky
    98 Dodge Status ES
    94 Mitsubishi Eclipse GST
    Gyzmologist, Sep 24, 2007
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    Steve Guest

    It was explained to me (admittedly long ago and by a service station employee in whose interest it was to get people
    to change oil) that the machining done on the engine in the factory leaves small pieces of debris, so an oil change very
    early in the engine's life is a worthwhile investment.
    Since the cost of an oil change is so minimal compared to the damage done if oil changes are too infrequent, I would
    go for erring on the side of too frequent oil changes rather than too few.
    Steve, Sep 24, 2007
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    Guest Guest

    As someone who works in the manufacturing field designing gearboxes, I can
    tell you part of what you say is true, the other I don't agree with

    Parts, esp. those with tight tolerances, are thoroughly cleaned (usually in
    baths) after manufacturing/machining so chances of debris sitting in the
    engine after machining are very low. However, what does happen is that as
    the parts are "run in", they will shed very fine particles. I work in
    aerospace, and not automotive, but I would assume they do the same as us and
    do a limited run-in of assemblies and/or components at the factory.
    However, even with all the advancements in engineering, manufacturing, oil,
    etc, etc., the final product does not see real life conditions until it gets
    to you. Several components like the drivetrain for example, are mixed and
    matched to different engines, tranny's and rears/diffs, put in different
    configurations and vehicles, operate under different loads, environments,
    etc. that are not simulated in the limited run in of a production unit
    (prototypes are a different animal altogether), so I do thoroughly agree
    with you that a early fluid change or two is a worth the investment after
    you've run-in the whole assembly (vehicle), in your environment (driving
    habits, terrain, load, temps, etc...)

    Guest, Sep 25, 2007
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    BläBlä Guest

    There is no such thing as a "break-in period" with synthetic.
    Parts must wear and seat themselves.
    Synthetic greatly hinders that process.
    A car properly broke in on conventional oil will obtain maximum cylinder
    compression much much sooner.
    An engine that starts off with synthetic may never seal properly.
    BläBlä, Sep 25, 2007
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